@kellyjay saidI appreciate you are attempting to address the real problem, but you will need to elaborate on what you have written. It appears to have been delivered in a code I am unable to decipher.
I think the greatest reason is our grasp of high cost of the reality of consequences and priorities. This life isn’t it!
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThis life isn’t it, a judgment is coming, lessons are being learned, hearts are being exposed. Good and evil are on full display!
I appreciate you are attempting to address the real problem, but you will need to elaborate on what you have written. It appears to have been delivered in a code I am unable to decipher.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThis is one of the reasons your judgment is flawed. I believe Ravi Z said this once about those who don’t grasp the absolutes of life. They are like a sport athletes standing in a field not knowing the game they are in or the rules, so they do what seems right at the moment regardless, failing to see the real results required.
'You must live in the present, launch yourself on every wave, find your eternity in each moment. Fools stand on their island opportunities and look toward another land. There is no other land, there is no other life but this.'
Henry David Thoreau
@kellyjay saidIf one talks to a different religionist, one hears different speculations and personal opinions. Does your fear of "judgement" make you a better person? If it does, good for you [and those around you].
This life isn’t it, a judgment is coming, lessons are being learned, hearts are being exposed.
@kellyjay saidWait. So. Athletes "not knowing the game they are in" is an analogy for people who don't share your religious beliefs, right?
They are like a sport athletes standing in a field not knowing the game they are in or the rules, so they do what seems right at the moment regardless, failing to see the real results required.
@kellyjay saidKelly, even if I was to accept that as true, how does that mitigate the suffering of an innocent and justify an inactive God who chooses not to intervene despite being omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent and omniscient?
This life isn’t it, a judgment is coming, lessons are being learned, hearts are being exposed. Good and evil are on full display!
@ghost-of-a-duke saidHow would you know if He was and how would you know in reality what the real important things are in this life? For many it’s all about the material world, who has the most toys wins!
Kelly, even if I was to accept that as true, how does that mitigate the suffering of an innocent and justify an inactive God who chooses not to intervene despite being omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent and omniscient?
What if the real important things are something else, like the love between people and the real displays of love between us? Than the suffering in this world would be meaningless next to that, because love doesn’t diminish in heart break, it grows!
If what is important is the love we have than no pain or no suffering could kill that, the length of our life spans would be meaningless compared to the love in our lives!
@kellyjay saidI had to glance back at the question several times as I was reading what you had written in order to try to figure out why you were writing what you were writing but to no avail.
How would you know if He was and how would you know in reality what the real important things are in this life? For many it’s all about the material world, who has the most toys wins!
What if the real important things are something else, like the love between people and the real displays of love between us? Than the suffering in this world would be meaningless next to tha ...[text shortened]... uld kill that, the length of our life spans would be meaningless compared to the love in our lives!
-Removed-Just working, saving money, and trying to improve my future.
Regarding faith: trying to hang onto it. At times it seems as if God is involved in human affairs, and other times it seems He is 100% nowhere to be found. I cannot blame anyone for threads such as this, and the enormous doubt that exists.
@chaney3 saidGod is involved in human affairs at a macro level. Micromanaging peoples lives is not his thing. There are a couple exceptions. The righteous people are guided and protected. He hears their prayers and nobody can touch them until God decides it is their time to go. People who change the course the world is going is another group that he would guide.
Just working, saving money, and trying to improve my future.
Regarding faith: trying to hang onto it. At times it seems as if God is involved in human affairs, and other times it seems He is 100% nowhere to be found. I cannot blame anyone for threads such as this, and the enormous doubt that exists.
God sees the world and its direction in large blocks of time, maybe in thousands of years at a time. In my opinion things are progressing as it should. Suffering is part of life as we know it and that will change at some future date.
@rajk999 saidWhat about the innocent who are too young to pray? Why isn't God protecting them? Why doesn't He make sure nothing can touch them, at least until they are old enough to make their own choices?
God is involved in human affairs at a macro level. Micromanaging peoples lives is not his thing. There are a couple exceptions. The righteous people are guided and protected. He hears their prayers and nobody can touch them until God decides it is their time to go. People who change the course the world is going is another group that he would guide.
God sees the world and ...[text shortened]... sing as it should. Suffering is part of life as we know it and that will change at some future date.
In one hand, I have a child dying of a terminal illness. In the other, I have a deity who is all-powerful, all-loving, and all knowing. Why isn't one taking care of the other?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou know He isn't? You are like a chess player who cannot see the pieces, understand how the game is played, yet complaining about what is being done. You assume quite a bit in your complaints, about the One you don't even acknowledge that is real.
What about the innocent who are too young to pray? Why isn't God protecting them? Why doesn't He make sure nothing can touch them, at least until they are old enough to make their own choices?
In one hand, I have a child dying of a terminal illness. In the other, I have a deity who is all-powerful, all-loving, and all knowing. Why isn't one taking care of the other?
@kellyjay saidWait. So. Someone being "like a chess player who cannot see the pieces, or understand how the game is played" is an analogy for people who don't share your religious beliefs, am I right?
You know He isn't? You are like a chess player who cannot see the pieces, understand how the game is played, yet complaining about what is being done. You assume quite a bit in your complaints, about the One you don't even acknowledge that is real.