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  1. 12 Feb '18 18:32 / 2 edits
    Several years back I started a thread on "Red Letter Christians". Having read it over again, its seems all the more pertinent today. The author makes a lot of valid points regarding how far "Evangelical Christianity" has gotten away from the teachings of Jesus.

    Hopefully there are those who will take the time to actually read and comprehend the article in its entirety. To these seekers of truth, I invite comments.

    Note that this article appeared in February of 2009. It seems that as more time passes, the more backward Christianity gets.

    In America, over the last decade-and-a-half, Evangelicalism has become married to the Republican Party. To go on university campuses and declare oneself an Evangelical is to immediately have red flags raised by secularists. Once defined as Evangelical, it is assumed that he or she is pro-war, anti-feminist, anti-gay, pro-capital punishment, pro-gun, anti-environmentalism, and certainly part of the Religious Right.

    Many of us made unsuccessful attempts to stave off such categorisations. Eventually, a group of one-time Evangelicals, drawn from the Pentecostal to the Roman Catholic communities, got together to come up with a new name. Henceforth, we said, we are no longer going to call ourselves Evangelicals. We are going to call ourselves Red Letter Christians. Our name refers to the red letters in the Bible. In many editions of the Scriptures, the words of Jesus are highlighted in red letters.

    While holding to the same orthodox theologies as Evangelicals, those of us who call ourselves Red Letter Christians point out that our lifestyles are, as much as possible, those prescribed by the words of Jesus. We recognise that the ethic of Jesus, especially as set forth in the Sermon on the Mount, is a higher ethic than anything we have found in the Hebrew Bible. The call to love our enemies and to overcome evil with good has turned most of us into advocates of non-violent resistance. Certainly, we are not in favour of capital punishment, given that in the red letters we read that Jesus said, “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.”

    The primary focus of we Red Letter Christians is on what Jesus had to say about the poor. We realise that the only description that He gave of Judgment Day (Matthew 25) was through a parable in which people were evaluated as to whether or not they fed those who were hungry, naked, sick and imprisoned. Many of us take literally the red letters stating that it would be harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. From this we have deduced that a simple lifestyle must be embraced by those who call themselves Christians and that money should no longer be spent on unnecessary luxuries, but should be spent wisely and invested carefully on behalf of those in need. Jesus said that to be one of His disciples we should be ready to sell what we have and give the money to the poor, and we take Him literally.

    It is acknowledged among Red Letter Christians that the ethic of Jesus, if taken at face value, would make His followers into radical, counter-cultural persons who recognise that their American lifestyles have to be abandoned. We recognise that our lifestyles have been largely responsible for depleting the non-renewable resources of the planet, including the oceans and the air, and exploiting underpaid workers in Third World countries to produce bargains for our American consumption, and for this we must repent.


    Red Letter Christians recognise that not only must we be involved on the micro level, living out the teachings of Jesus, but that we also must be intensely politically involved. But we are quick to declare that Jesus is neither Democrat nor Republican, and advocate that Red Letter Christians should invade both political parties to be “the leaven” transforming those parties in accord with the teachings of Jesus.

    There have been many who have been critical of this new movement. Some have said that we hold the red letters of the Bible as being superior to the black letters, and that we have propagated the “simple lifestyle” as though it is biblically prescribed. Our response is, “You’ve got us right!”

    Not only do we believe that the teachings of Jesus are superior to anything else in the Bible, but that Jesus Himself said that His words were superior to what we read in the black letters. In the Sermon on the Mount, He declared repeatedly that the teachings of old have been replaced by new ones. For instance, the Hebrew Bible had been interpreted to say that when dealing with offenses the guiding principle should be “an eye for an eye” and “a tooth for a tooth”. But Jesus said that we are to overcome evil with good. While the Law of Moses stated that we should not commit adultery, Jesus raised the standard by saying that to be engaged in lustful behaviour (i.e., getting into pornography, engaging in sexually degrading conversations, viewing members of the opposite sex as “things” to be exploited) is to be judged as seriously as adultery. In referring to the law in the Torah that forbade murder, Jesus raised the ante when He declared that treating another person in such a way as to destroy the dignity and to diminish the humanity of that person should be regarded as though murder had been committed.

    Furthermore, we believe that the black letters of the Bible cannot be understood unless we first come to grips with Jesus. Unless we understand who Jesus is and what He did through His life, death and resurrection, the rest of the Scriptures won’t really make much sense. Can we really understand the 53rd chapter of Isaiah or the 22nd Psalm without knowing about Jesus? Is there any way of understanding the allusions to Jesus that are found all through the writings of the prophets unless we understand what was revealed through Christ’s words and deeds?

    Because Evangelicals have been steeped in the theology of the Pauline Epistles before they scrutinise the teachings of Jesus in the red letters of the Bible, they have read Jesus through the eyes of Paul. Red Letter Christians do just the opposite—we read Paul through the eyes of Jesus. There is no contradiction between these two perspectives, but there is a difference in emphasis. If we get into the red letters first, we will be committed to a new lifestyle even before we grapple with the sophisticated theological concepts set forth in Pauline teachings. Commitment to Christ and following His teachings becomes primary.

    Rather than a new legalism, we Red Letter Christians are preaching a call to obedience to the radical teachings of Christ. We are not about to water down the red letters in the Bible in order to create an ethical lifestyle compatible with upper-middle class affluence. We believe that Jesus made perfectly clear what He expects of His disciples.

    Across America, and even in other countries, there is a new church emerging that embraces the Red Letter Christian lifestyle. There is a new generation that no long ascribes to the “easy believism” that reduced Christianity to a mere affirmation of theological propositions. This new generation of Christians calls for obedience to the obvious teachings of Christ concerning wealth and power and what should be done for the poor and oppressed, and we are committed to live out His teachings.

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/red.letter.christianity.a.new.name.for.progressive.evangelicals/22438.htm
  2. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    12 Feb '18 21:23
    This is new? You might want to consider the Regula primitiva of St. Francis: The rule was "To follow the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ and to walk in his footsteps," formulated in 1209.
  3. 13 Feb '18 01:17
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    This is new? You might want to consider the Regula primitiva of St. Francis: The rule was "To follow the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ and to walk in his footsteps," formulated in 1209.
    Not sure why you seem to think that whether or not it is "new" is of importance.

    The point seems be to bring Christians and Christians back to the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. By and large, Evangelicals (at least in the US) have drifted so far away so as to be antithetical to what Jesus preached.
  4. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    13 Feb '18 02:55
    I'm not the one who thinks newness is important. To quote the article above:

    "Across America, and even in other countries, there is a new church emerging that embraces the Red Letter Christian lifestyle. There is a new generation that no long ascribes to the “easy believism” that reduced Christianity to a mere affirmation of theological propositions. This new generation of Christians calls for obedience to the obvious teachings of Christ concerning wealth and power and what should be done for the poor and oppressed, and we are committed to live out His teachings."

    And the link includes the following:

    "a.new.name.for.progressive.evangelicals"


    I merely point out that the proposal isn't new. Neither is it progressive. If you would live out His teachings, then live as He did: in poverty and humility. According to some, no one else in history was as dedicated as Francis to imitate the life, and carry out the work of Christ, in Christ’s own way, as St. Francis, who is sometimes described as alter Christus ("another Christ" ).
  5. Standard member karoly aczel
    the Devil himself
    13 Feb '18 02:57
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    Several years back I started a thread on "Red Letter Christians". Having read it over again, its seems all the more pertinent today. The author makes a lot of valid points regarding how far "Evangelical Christianity" has gotten away from the teachings of Jesus.

    Hopefully there are those who will take the time to actually read and comprehend the artic ...[text shortened]... .com/article/red.letter.christianity.a.new.name.for.progressive.evangelicals/22438.htm [/quote]
    3 thumbs down and 1 up from me so far... If others people's opinions payed my bills.... lol my friend
  6. 13 Feb '18 17:32 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    I'm not the one who thinks newness is important. To quote the article above:

    "Across America, and even in other countries, there is a new church emerging that embraces the Red Letter Christian lifestyle. There is a new generation that no long ascribes to the “easy believism” that reduced Christianity to a mere affirmation of theological pro ...[text shortened]... wn way, as St. Francis, who is sometimes described as alter Christus ("another Christ" ).
    You don't seem to have put much thought into this. It's akin to someone saying that they're opening a new restaurant and your responding by saying, "This is new? Restaurants have been around for centuries".
  7. 13 Feb '18 17:35 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    3 thumbs down and 1 up from me so far... If others people's opinions payed my bills.... lol my friend
    Yeah, more haters of truth. The light scares them, so they hide in the darkness. At most, only one of them has posted on this thread.
  8. Standard member karoly aczel
    the Devil himself
    14 Feb '18 00:09
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    Yeah, more haters of truth. The light scares them, so they hide in the darkness. At most, only one of them has posted on this thread.
    Yep Its as simple as that. And not even the honesty to admit they're intimidated 😀 God has a wicked sense of humour
  9. 15 Feb '18 06:07
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    Not sure why you seem to think that whether or not it is "new" is of importance.

    The point seems be to bring Christians and Christians back to the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. By and large, Evangelicals (at least in the US) have drifted so far away so as to be antithetical to what Jesus preached.
    Are you a red letter Christian?
  10. Standard member dj2becker
    rentrer à la maison
    15 Feb '18 07:49
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    Several years back I started a thread on "Red Letter Christians". Having read it over again, its seems all the more pertinent today. The author makes a lot of valid points regarding how far "Evangelical Christianity" has gotten away from the teachings of Jesus.

    Hopefully there are those who will take the time to actually read and comprehend the artic ...[text shortened]... .com/article/red.letter.christianity.a.new.name.for.progressive.evangelicals/22438.htm [/quote]
    The question for Red Letter Christians I have that I have never received an answer for is this:

    How do you know the red-letters are divinely inspired if the rest of the Bible isn't?

    If you have an answer I would like to hear it.
  11. Standard member karoly aczel
    the Devil himself
    15 Feb '18 09:28
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    The question for Red Letter Christians I have that I have never received an answer for is this:

    How do you know the red-letters are divinely inspired if the rest of the Bible isn't?

    If you have an answer I would like to hear it.
    When you apply the knowledge and live it you know . I just eliminated what it wasn't
  12. Standard member karoly aczel
    the Devil himself
    15 Feb '18 09:29
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    3 thumbs down and 1 up from me so far... If others people's opinions payed my bills.... lol my friend
    6 thumbs down c***! Rich vein, good form bro
  13. 15 Feb '18 13:11
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Are you a red letter Christian?
    Not sure what you have in mind here. If you had written "Red Letter Christian", I would have said, "No". My view of the Bible does coincide with how they have defined themselves in the article cited in the OP. However, there is overlap in the emphasis put on the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.

    Explain your terms and you'll get a better answer. I imagine that you might need to define what you mean by "Christian" as well.
  14. 15 Feb '18 13:21
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    The question for Red Letter Christians I have that I have never received an answer for is this:

    How do you know the red-letters are divinely inspired if the rest of the Bible isn't?

    If you have an answer I would like to hear it.
    There doesn't seem to be anything in the article to indicate that they think only the red letters are divinely inspired.

    The following excerpts from what I posted in the OP might help you to better understand their position:
    There have been many who have been critical of this new movement. Some have said that we hold the red letters of the Bible as being superior to the black letters, and that we have propagated the “simple lifestyle” as though it is biblically prescribed. Our response is, “You’ve got us right!”

    Not only do we believe that the teachings of Jesus are superior to anything else in the Bible, but that Jesus Himself said that His words were superior to what we read in the black letters. In the Sermon on the Mount, He declared repeatedly that the teachings of old have been replaced by new ones...

    Because Evangelicals have been steeped in the theology of the Pauline Epistles before they scrutinise the teachings of Jesus in the red letters of the Bible, they have read Jesus through the eyes of Paul. Red Letter Christians do just the opposite—we read Paul through the eyes of Jesus. There is no contradiction between these two perspectives, but there is a difference in emphasis.
  15. 15 Feb '18 13:25
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    6 thumbs down c***! Rich vein, good form bro
    Perhaps in time they'll come out of the shadows and explain themselves.