Originally posted by ThinkOfOneSome peoples disciplines are suited toward performing rituals. You just gotta know where everything fits and that the ritual can be like the object of worship(idol) , it can overshadow the true meaning of spirituality, which is not in the ritual. The ritual is used for "purification" only.
Ultimately are they anything more than more widely accepted and formalized superstition and/ or OCD?
Originally posted by karoly aczelBy "purification" do you mean as a means of relieving anxiety as does a person with OCD?
Some peoples disciplines are suited toward performing rituals. You just gotta know where everything fits and that the ritual can be like the object of worship(idol) , it can overshadow the true meaning of spirituality, which is not in the ritual. The ritual is used for "purification" only.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI think so.
By "purification" do you mean as a means of relieving anxiety as does a person with OCD?
Relieving stress/anxiety properly and permanently involves aquainting oneself with ones "spiritual side". Some people need ritiuals for this.
I find some people are more prone to OCD than others. I'm not sure their is a correlation with performing rituals...
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Originally posted by karoly aczelSeems like both religious rituals and OCD rituals are about deluding oneself into believing those actions are effective in removing the actual source of the anxiety. As such they cannot "properly and permanently" relieve the stress/anxiety through those actions. What do you think?
I think so.
Relieving stress/anxiety properly and permanently involves aquainting oneself with ones "spiritual side". Some people need ritiuals for this.
I find some people are more prone to OCD than others. I'm not sure their is a correlation with performing rituals...
Originally posted by ThinkOfOnebefore I go on (with not having given much thought to my responses thus far. Kinda thinking about it in hindsight), you are talking about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, right?
Seems like both religious rituals and OCD rituals are about deluding oneself into believing those actions are effective in removing the actual source of the anxiety. As such they cannot "properly and permanently" relieve the stress/anxiety through those actions. What do you think?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIn my opinion, rituals has nothing to do with religion.
Ultimately are they anything more than more widely accepted and formalized superstition and/ or OCD?
Why would a supernatural intelligent being be happier if men and women performed rituals? Why would men and women make anything wrong against this supernatural intelligent being by not performing these rituals?
These rituals are invented by men in order to [guessing] know who is loyal to the religion and who is not [/guessing].
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Originally posted by FabianFnasThe idea that an omnipotent being would dispense reward or punishment
In my opinion, rituals has nothing to do with religion.
Why would a supernatural intelligent being be happier if men and women performed rituals? Why would men and women make anything wrong against this supernatural intelligent being by not performing these rituals?
These rituals are invented by men in order to [guessing] know who is loyal to the religion and who is not [/guessing].
depending on whether or not the proper rituals were performed is indeed bizarre. However, I'd have to say that it has much to do with religion as most, if not all, religions have rituals of one sort or another. Also it seems likely that rituals were created as an attempt to curry favor with the supernatural.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneRituals do not have to include delusion. And OCD rituals can be quite effective at relieving stress - which is a large part of why they form. I think we are all a little obsessive compulsive - just not always to the point that it gets labelled a disorder. We like routine - partly because it means we need to think less about what we are doing.
Seems like both religious rituals and OCD rituals are about deluding oneself into believing those actions are effective in removing the actual source of the anxiety. As such they cannot "properly and permanently" relieve the stress/anxiety through those actions. What do you think?
Originally posted by twhiteheadRituals do not have to include delusion.
Rituals do not have to include delusion. And OCD rituals can be quite effective at relieving stress - which is a large part of why they form. I think we are all a little obsessive compulsive - just not always to the point that it gets labelled a disorder. We like routine - partly because it means we need to think less about what we are doing.
Can you give examples of rituals that are not "about deluding oneself into believing those actions are effective in removing the actual source of the anxiety"?
And OCD rituals can be quite effective at relieving stress - which is a large part of why they form.
Which is also likely a large part of why religious rituals form and religion itself forms.
Originally posted by karoly aczelUltimately avoidance of reality is not a "good thing". Seems like those who insist on looking on the "positive side" are avoiding reality.
I dont think OCD is such a bad thing.
Religous fervor can be a good thing. I dont know, I try to see the positive side of things. There is usually a positive side.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIf meditation and yoga are considered OCD activities, the same as praying, then perhaps your argument is well founded. Since I don't think singing hymns, praying, or studying/reading/discussing ancient writings to be an OCD activity, then I'd disagree with your prermise.
Ultimately are they anything more than more widely accepted and formalized superstition and/ or OCD?