Revelation 17,18

Originally posted by DeepThought

"After these things I saw another Angel coming down out of heaven, having great authority; and the earth was illuminated with His glory.

And He cried with a strong voice, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the Great! And she has become a dwelling place of demons and a hold of every unclean spirit and a hold of every unclean and hateful bird."

"These [Antichrist and his armies] will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and they who are with Him, the called and chosen and faithful, will also overcome them." (Rev. 17:14).

"And another angel, a second one, followed, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the Great, who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the fury of her fornication! " (Rev. 14:8)

Originally posted by Suzianne
I am way too tired right now to give this the attention it deserves.

Tomorrow is another day. 🙂

" These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; AND THEY WHO ARE WITH HIM, the called and chosen and faithful ..." (v.14)

Originally posted by sonship

[b] "And on her forehead there was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (v.5)

We are therefore dealing with something abominable which has spawned off other entities like it. That is to one degree or another degree what Babylon is is carried over to other entities ...[text shortened]... ssons of fear and instruction, that they also as daughters, be delivered from the mother's sins.[/b]

In the Middle East, "mother of..." is an idiom meaning "the embodiment of..." The "Mother of harlots" would be recognized by any Middle Eastern person as meaning the embodiment of all whoredom.

Iraqi statements on the Persian Gulf war, as reported in the press, have been filled with references to "the mother of battles." The commander of the Iraqi Republican Guard is quoted as saying that his troops "will repel the heathen alliance led by America in the mother of battles."

The translation is based on a misunderstanding of the use of the Arabic word "umm" (mother). Besides its literal meaning, "umm" -- when followed by another noun -- is often equivalent to English words like "chief," "main" or "principal" (as in "mother lode" ).

Thus, "umm al-watan" (mother of the homeland) means "metropolis," "ummahat al-hawadith" (mothers of events) means "major events," and "ummahat as-suhuf" (mothers of newspapers) means "leading newspapers." The Arabic phrase literally meaning "mother of battles" (umm al-ma'arik) can best be translated "the great battle," "the mighty battle," perhaps "the decisive battle."

So "mother of harlots" could best be translated "the great harlot" or "the mighty harlot" or "the harlot to end all harlots" and does not mean that it has some daughters.

This also includes the "mother of" the abominations of the earth. So this is actually referring to the great evils of the earth. This could be translated:
MYSTERY. BABYLON THE GREAT, THE EMBODIMENT OF ALL HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Originally posted by sonship
Your comment is useful in that various judgments are revealed in [b]Revelation. There is a judgment on world empires and there is judgment on religious empires.

This why chapter 17 begins with one of the angels who have just unleashed judgment on world powers to want to take John aside and reveal to him other judgment.

And one of the s ...[text shortened]... waters of life; and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes." (Rev. 7:17)

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The angel carried John away in the spirit to the future location of the great city that he calls Babylon the Great. That location is a wilderness or desert area and is a clue in identifying this future great harlot city.

Originally posted by sonship
The Mother of Harlots is in a place of spiritual desolation, dryness, thirst and lack of refreshment of the divine life of the Spirit of God,

While I speak of the critical matters about this woman it is always important to remember that as a [b]"MOTHER" , she has spawned off other descendants who share some of her problems. The principle to see here i ...[text shortened]... pects of both the Harlot and the Wife which are in all Christians temporarily, at the same time.[/b]

Originally posted by RJHinds
Sorry, the city of Rome is not in a wilderness or desert area. John knew of the city of Rome. But this city was a "MYSTERY" to John. It was identified as "Babylon the Great" that seems to indicate that it has something in common with the ancient Babylon, but is greater.

Try again. 😏

Another clue for you:

"The woman whom you saw is the great cit ...[text shortened]... ich and buys so much merchandise from others that they act in this manner when she is judged. 😏

Originally posted by sonship
Would you consider taking your posts and your smug moniker to another thread on the subject matter started by you ? I will stay out of it. You will have there your platform to teach whatever you wish to say about [b]Revelation 17,18.

Of course I cannot force you. I can ask you.
I'll stay out of your started discussion on Rev. 17,18. And you hopefully will stay out of this one.

How about it ?[/b]

Originally posted by RJHinds
I was just trying to help you from making the same mistake many others have. But if you don't want my help, then go ahead with that false teaching.

Originally posted by sonship
You are not helping me that much. I am asking you to start your thread on the subject. I'll stay out of it. Could we do that ?

Do like Paul did in [b] Acts 19. He separated out some listeners who really wanted to hear him. And he took them off away from the crowd and taught them in a different venue (Acts 19:9). Seriously.

We'll just s ...[text shortened]... d Rev. 17,18" [/b] free from what you believe are my mistakes.

Let's try it for once. Agreed?[/b]

"Here is the mind of wisdom. The seven heads are the seven mountains where the woman sits. " (v.9)

"And the ten horns which you saw and the beast, these will hate the harlot [prostitute] and will make her desolate and naked and will eat her flesh and burn her utterly with fire." (v.16)

" And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlot, and gilded with gold and precious stone and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the unclean things of her fornication." (v.4)

"And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass." (21:21b)

"... and the city was pure gold, like clear glass." (v.18)