1. Standard memberHand of Hecate
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    29 Mar '11 03:17
    How many of us like to be lectured? No one really does, because we like to express ourselves. Its important to us that our opinions are valued, or at very least acknowledged. Even if the content is important and interesting, if it is presented in a dictatorial manner, we feel aggrieved. We may even give the perception that our words are of more importance than those to whom we are dictating to, simply being content to dump information upon them. This is not the way of a teacher, for a teacher must reason with his students, to draw out of them, as deep water in a well, what they know to be true already, and to try to impart understanding, so that they can readily discern with their own minds, the import of what we are trying to say. This appears to me to have been Robbie's greatest failing, an inability to engage with others and to reason with them in harmony with his own beliefs. It is a tragedy, for no doubt he had many good and interesting things to impart, thus the message, the content itself, has been obscured by the delivery.
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    29 Mar '11 03:25
    Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
    How many of us like to be lectured? No one really does, because we like to express ourselves. Its important to us that our opinions are valued, or at very least acknowledged. Even if the content is important and interesting, if it is presented in a dictatorial manner, we feel aggrieved. We may even give the perception that our words are of more import ...[text shortened]... ting things to impart, thus the message, the content itself, has been obscured by the delivery.
    Agreed. Robbie does cut a tragic figure for the reasons you have said.
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    29 Mar '11 08:351 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    Agreed. Robbie does cut a tragic figure for the reasons you have said.
    Lol, Shakespearean in proportion to be sure, never the less

    Trust not the man who says he is more than an actor, for that lie waves like the Devils banner, above theft and murder.
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    29 Mar '11 10:15
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Lol, Shakespearean in proportion to be sure, never the less

    Trust not the man who says he is more than an actor, for that lie waves like the Devils banner, above theft and murder.
    You do have quite the fan club robbie.
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    29 Mar '11 11:01
    Originally posted by whodey
    You do have quite the fan club robbie.
    old Bland of Hecate is just sore cause the general forum rose up and called him out for the unprincipled nature of his posts, but FMF, has come to realise that I am practically harmless, I hope.
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    29 Mar '11 11:39
    Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
    How many of us like to be lectured? No one really does, because we like to express ourselves. Its important to us that our opinions are valued, or at very least acknowledged. Even if the content is important and interesting, if it is presented in a dictatorial manner, we feel aggrieved. We may even give the perception that our words are of more import ...[text shortened]... ting things to impart, thus the message, the content itself, has been obscured by the delivery.
    I think a new type of teaher-student relationship is evolving. One where the student can also become the teacher and vice versa.(And can literrally develop overnight.) I think it is important to develop this type of humility in the part of the teacher and confidence on the part of the student.
    This is relevant for Robbie and other posters on here.
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    29 Mar '11 11:41
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I think a new type of teaher-student relationship is evolving. One where the student can also become the teacher and vice versa.(And can literrally develop overnight.) I think it is important to develop this type of humility in the part of the teacher and confidence on the part of the student.
    This is relevant for Robbie and other posters on here.
    it is a wretched pupil that does not surpass his master - Da Vinci
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    29 Mar '11 11:42
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    old Bland of Hecate is just sore cause the general forum rose up and called him out for the unprincipled nature of his posts, but FMF, has come to realise that I am practically harmless, I hope.
    Harmless you may be, however, that is not the issue at (Hands' ) hand.
    Now come on, give us some your tricky wordplay, Hmmmm? 🙂
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    29 Mar '11 11:502 edits
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Harmless you may be, however, that is not the issue at (Hands' ) hand.
    Now come on, give us some your tricky wordplay, Hmmmm? 🙂
    until Bland is able to conduct himself with more decorum than at present, with out making sexual references about my mom, my wife and my nine year old kid, he has no recourse to any issues other than his own, and until you answer the serious questions that were put towards you, by FMF and others, neither do you.
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    29 Mar '11 12:21
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    FMF, has come to realise that I am practically harmless, I hope.
    Everyone is harmless here. At you're best, you live up to your somewhat cultivated self-image of geniality and magnanimity; at your worst you are vain and sneering, and unable surmount your own ego or to admit that you may have fibbed in defence of it. So, all in all, harmless - yes.
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    29 Mar '11 12:35
    Originally posted by FMF
    Everyone is harmless here. At you're best, you live up to your somewhat cultivated self-image of geniality and magnanimity; at your worst you are vain and sneering, and unable surmount your own ego or to admit that you may have fibbed in defence of it. So, all in all, harmless - yes.
    i am a human being and prone to human frailty and aberration. I have as far as I am aware never claimed to be infallible. I resent the terms sneering, or that i am unable to surmount my own ego, for clearly, i did not have to reply to your post, but out of courtesy i have.

    As for you FMF, you are intelligent and articulate, well read and broad minded, but you have a cynical side which you have yet to tame and which leads you to ascribe nefarious motives to others when none are intended.
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    29 Mar '11 12:42
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    As for you FMF, you are intelligent and articulate, well read and broad minded, but you have a cynical side which you have yet to tame and which leads you to ascribe nefarious motives to others when none are intended.
    How often do we hear you mewl "Don't say I have nefarious motives! Don't say I have nefarious motives!" - all the more often, and louder - and snidely, at times - when you have been caught trying to smear someone or cover up some of your own fibs? I'm just trying to be balanced and fair, so that my testimonial (above) carries more weight, and makes you feel good about the bits of your persona that you should feel good about.
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    29 Mar '11 12:471 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    How often do we hear you mewl "Don't say I have nefarious motives! Don't say I have nefarious motives!" - all the more often, and louder - and snidely, at times - when you have been caught trying to smear someone or cover up some of your own fibs? I'm just trying to be balanced and fair, so that my testimonial (above) carries more weight, and makes you feel good about the bits of your persona that you should feel good about.
    it is a statement of opinion FMF, shall we ask others in the forum what has been their experience also? shall we?
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    29 Mar '11 12:49
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    it is a statement of opinion FMF, shall we ask others in the forum what has been their experience also? shall we?
    Do whatever your vanity and ego tell you to do now that someone has offered you a few candid words.
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    29 Mar '11 12:512 edits
    Originally posted by FMF
    Do whatever your vanity and ego tell you to do now that someone has offered you a few candid words.
    i dont mind candid words FMF, one must remember that its a statement of opinion, nothing more. I am generally affable and dont really like being contentious, but you my friend, could start a fight in an empty room,
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