Originally posted by FMFBecause in acknowledging that, robbie would no longer feel like he was part of an exclusively persecuted group and his feeling of religious specialness, spiritual elitism and god's chosenness would be diminished.
Perhaps because other people are being persecuted and discriminated against in Russia. Why would you not be concerned about that?
07 Apr 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy would you not be worried about other "Christians" (as you keep calling yourself) being equally persecuted?
Does a man who is going to court to defend himself on a charge of assault worry about other people who are charged with assault? Does he? why would he be concerned about other people who are charged with assault? or who may be charged with assault?
FMF: It's surely part of a broader resistance to and rejection of the Russian government restricting or ignoring the rights of minority groups, or even persecuting them, isn't it now?My narrative? It is surely the narrative of what is happened to many Christians in Russia.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Is it? well its your narrative and you are free to make it up you as you go along.
Take a look at these for example:
http://tinyurl.com/zaxye62
http://tinyurl.com/lrz6tgq
[from www.christianitytoday.com]
http://tinyurl.com/kkt5k3e
[archives.relevantmagazine.com]
http://tinyurl.com/k7rzrmm
[www.christianheadlines.com]
http://tinyurl.com/kqlngmf
[www.mnnonline.org]
07 Apr 17
Originally posted by FMFHow many are facing a court action by the Russian government to render their form of worship illegal and to liquidate thier assets and disolve 400 odd chapters?
My narrative? It is surely the narrative of what is happened to many Christians in Russia.
Take a look at these for example:
http://tinyurl.com/zaxye62
http://tinyurl.com/lrz6tgq
[from www.christianitytoday.com]
http://tinyurl.com/kkt5k3e
[archives.relevantmagazine.com]
http://tinyurl.com/k7rzrmm
[www.christianheadlines.com]
http://tinyurl.com/kqlngmf
[www.mnnonline.org]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo one has denied that the JWs are under assault in Russia. The point, though, is that there is a broader assault against Christians going on in that country and it is an issue of the fundamental human rights connected with religious observance. You have taken a stance which seems to be in denial of this.
How many are facing a court action by the Russian government to render their form of worship illegal and to liquidate thier assets and disolve 400 odd chapters?
07 Apr 17
Originally posted by FMFand yet in this make-it-up-as-you-go-along narrative of yours you cannot tell us how many others are facing an existential threat from the Russian government seeking to criminalize them and their activities. How disappointing for you and your flowery narrative.
No one has denied that the JWs are under assault in Russia. The point, though, is that there is a broader assault against Christians going on in that country and it is an issue of the fundamental human rights connected with religious observance. You have taken a stance which seems to be in denial of this.
07 Apr 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe struggle for human rights on multiple fronts, and affecting people in different walks of life, under an authoritarian - and often brutal - regime like the one in Russia is no "flowery narrative", robbie.
and yet in this make-it-up-as-you-go-along narrative of yours you cannot tell us how many others are facing an existential threat from the Russian government seeking to criminalize them and their activities. How disappointing for you and your flowery narrative.
Originally posted by FMFand yet you have FAILED miserably to provide any compelling evidence that this State sponsored persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses is part of a ' broader assault against Christians'.
The struggle for human rights on multiple fronts, and affecting people in different walks of life, under an authoritarian - and often brutal - regime like the one in Russia is no "flowery narrative", robbie.
07 Apr 17
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell there have clearly been authoritarian moves in Russia to curtail and even remove the human rights of many Christians as the smattering of fairly contemporary links I provided you with demonstrate.
and yet you have FAILED miserably to provide any compelling evidence that this State sponsored persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses is part of a ' broader assault against Christians'.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieOK to all you say in this reply. Thanks.
With all due respect we are not 'economic' free riders although I suspect that you used the term as an analogy to state that in some way were are parasitic. This only makes sense in Nation States that have actually gone to war with the specific intent of establishing freedom of religion, otherwise its simply a by product of freedoms enshrined in soci ...[text shortened]... r their faith nor by your faith or lack of it. This pains me to hear that and I say that truly.
07 Apr 17
Originally posted by FMFand yet I remain unconvinced that it has anything to do with the case against Jehovah's Witnesses.
Well there have clearly been authoritarian moves in Russia to curtail and even remove the human rights of many Christians as the smattering of fairly contemporary links I provided you with demonstrate.