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United States Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin said that the war in Iraq is an example of God`s Work. What does everyone think of this?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneDid not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Jericho?
Anyone who believes war is "a task that is from God" does not follow / believe in the God of Jesus.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThe God of Jesus?
Did not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Jericho?
Did not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Sodom?
Did not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Midian?
Did not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Canaan?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI entirely agree. Jesus was a complete pacifist. There can be no doubt about this.
Anyone who believes war is "a task that is from God" does not follow / believe in the God of Jesus.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThat was the God of the Jews. Jesus came to put things straight on God. The Jews knew something of God but they didn't have the full picture.
Did not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Jericho?
Did not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Sodom?
Did not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Midian?
Did not the God of Jesus task his people with waging war on Canaan?
Originally posted by knightmeisterDo you mean that there was another God that the Jews worshiped, or are you saying that the Jews were wrong? Your post implies the existence of another God.
That was the God of the Jews. Jesus came to put things straight on God. The Jews knew something of God but they didn't have the full picture.
Originally posted by brendan94Her exact words were, "a task from God."
United States Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin said that the war in Iraq is an example of God`s Work. What does everyone think of this?
Originally posted by knightmeisterA pacifist is someone who is against violence for any reason whatsoever. But consider that Jesus fashioned a whip and drove out the money changers with it. A strict pacifist would never have attempted such a thing. Also consider what the book of Revelation has to say about the second coming of Christ, "Out of His mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty" (Rev. 19:15).
I entirely agree. Jesus was a complete pacifist. There can be no doubt about this.
People who use the name of Jesus for war just don't get it. It's a distortion of his message because they take one aspect of Christ (the desire for justice) but ignore the other aspect of pacifism and non-violence. It's always very dangerous to "pick and mix" with Jes ...[text shortened]... into her model rather than fit herself into his model then it will always be a distortion.
Originally posted by knightmeisterThe God of the Jews, Jehovah ("I AM THAT I AM" ), is the "Father" which Jesus mentions throughout his earthly ministry. Referenced as "LORD" in the OT, Jehovah used nations to bring judgment upon other nations all the time.
That was the God of the Jews. Jesus came to put things straight on God. The Jews knew something of God but they didn't have the full picture.
Originally posted by epiphinehasJesus never killed anyone or as far as I know even injure someone. When it came to the final reckoning he chose to be killed in the name of love and goodness rather than kill. The fact that he once picked up a whip and that there's a dream about him in Revelations using a "sword" doesn't change anything. He was still a total pacifist. No war in his name can ever be justified.
A pacifist is someone who is against violence for any reason whatsoever. But consider that Jesus fashioned a whip and drove out the money changers with it. A strict pacifist would never have attempted such a thing. Also consider what the book of Revelation has to say about the second coming of Christ, "Out of His mouth comes a sharp sword with which t ...[text shortened]... iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty" (Rev. 19:15).
Originally posted by epiphinehasThe Jews realised God was holy but there understanding of him was barely better than Islam's sometimes. The God of the Jews is a fiercely nationalist God which sometimes makes it hard to see the real God behind. If the God of the OT was so spot on then why send Jesus to correct things?
The God of the Jews, Jehovah ("I AM THAT I AM" ), is the "Father" which Jesus mentions throughout his earthly ministry. Referenced as "LORD" in the OT, Jehovah used nations to bring judgment upon other nations all the time.
God abounds with mercy and loving-kindness, but we mustn't forget that he is also holy and just. He's the Lion [i]and[/i ...[text shortened]... use God's judgment is something rightly to be feared. Wisdom is the fear of the LORD.
Originally posted by knightmeisterI see your point. A war in the name of Jesus can't be justified.
Jesus never killed anyone or as far as I know even injure someone. When it came to the final reckoning he chose to be killed in the name of love and goodness rather than kill. The fact that he once picked up a whip and that there's a dream about him in Revelations using a "sword" doesn't change anything. He was still a total pacifist. No war in his name can ever be justified.
Originally posted by knightmeisterHow did Jesus correct things?
The Jews realised God was holy but there understanding of him was barely better than Islam's sometimes. The God of the Jews is a fiercely nationalist God which sometimes makes it hard to see the real God behind. If the God of the OT was so spot on then why send Jesus to correct things?