Originally posted by kirksey957 So what. That was Herod.
My question was about the star and who was behind it leading the astrologers to Herod. The accepted Christmas story was that it was being used to bring them to Jesus to give presents, but that was not the case.
Originally posted by galveston75 My question was about the star and who was behind it leading the astrologers to Herod. The accepted Christmas story was that it was being used to bring them to Jesus to give presents, but that was not the case.
You're funny. They weren't astrologers. If anything they were astronomers.
The Bible says it was "His star" (Jesus'😉, and that's all. Speculate all you want.
The Bible says they were wise men from the east. Probably a remnant of Jews from Babylon who were descendants of those taken into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar.
Originally posted by galveston75 My question was about the star and who was behind it leading the astrologers to Herod. The accepted Christmas story was that it was being used to bring them to Jesus to give presents, but that was not the case.
Originally posted by Badwater Rarely do I see such license taken with the English language. I assume you do that with much of the rest of the Bible, too?
Why be crafty? If you disagree with jaywill then with the Bible prove he is wrong.
Originally posted by josephw Why be crafty? If you disagree with jaywill then with the Bible prove he is wrong.
One cannot prove a falsehood. The Bible does not state that Satan tries to kill Jesus, does not imply that Satan tries to kill Jesus; thus, jaywill takes tremendous liberties with the English language in a failed attempt to demonstrate otherwise. It isn't there.
Originally posted by Badwater One cannot prove a falsehood. The Bible does not state that Satan tries to kill Jesus, does not imply that Satan tries to kill Jesus; thus, jaywill takes tremendous liberties with the English language in a failed attempt to demonstrate otherwise. It isn't there.
Ah! But you are mistaken.
Satan was behind every attempt to kill Jesus, (consider Herod killing all those babies), but throughout the old testament he(Satan) tried to destroy the bloodline through which the Messiah would come. Beginning with Able.
Originally posted by josephw Ah! But you are mistaken.
Satan was behind every attempt to kill Jesus, (consider Herod killing all those babies), but throughout the old testament he(Satan) tried to destroy the bloodline through which the Messiah would come. Beginning with Able.
No, I am not mistaken. All Satan would have had to do is kill Jesus when they met, case closed. Nowhere in the Bible does it imply that Satan is behind any attempt to kill Jesus. This is a case of you imposing your perspective upon what you claim to be The Word.
I'd have a guess that Satan is behind that. How dare you distort the Bible to your own ends!!
Originally posted by josephw You're funny. They weren't astrologers. If anything they were astronomers.
The Bible says it was "His star" (Jesus'😉, and that's all. Speculate all you want.
The Bible says they were wise men from the east. Probably a remnant of Jews from Babylon who were descendants of those taken into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar.
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The Magi are popularly referred to as wise men and kings. The word Magi is a Latinization of the plural of the Greek word magos (μαγος pl. μαγοι😉, itself from Old Persian maguŝ from the Avestan magâunô, i.e. the religious caste in which Zoroaster was born into, (see Yasna 33.7:' ýâ sruyê parê magâunô ' = ' so I can be heard beyond Magi '😉. The term refers to the priestly caste of Zoroastrianism.[3] As part of their religion, these priests paid particular attention to the stars, and gained an international reputation for astrology, which was at that time highly regarded as a science. Their religious practices and use of astrology caused derivatives of the term Magi to be applied to the occult in general and led to the English term magic. Translated in the King James Version as wise men, the same word is given as sorcerer and sorcery when describing "Elymas the sorcerer" in Acts 13:6-11, and Simon Magus, considered a heretic by the early Church, in Acts 8:9-13.
Originally posted by Badwater No, I am not mistaken. All Satan would have had to do is kill Jesus when they met, case closed. Nowhere in the Bible does it imply that Satan is behind any attempt to kill Jesus. This is a case of you imposing your perspective upon what you claim to be The Word.
I'd have a guess that Satan is behind that. How dare you distort the Bible to your own ends!!
Satan could not have'd killed Jesus if he had tried when he approached him to tempt him in the wilderness. Jesus was a man but had the ability to call for angelic help at anytime he might need it. Example: Matt 26:51-53.
Originally posted by galveston75 Satan could not have'd killed Jesus if he had tried when he approached him to tempt him in the wilderness. Jesus was a man but had the ability to call for angelic help at anytime he might need it. Example: Matt 26:51-53.
The temptation in the wilderness serves as the backdrop to the very beginning of Jesus' ministry. It serves as Jesus' initiation into everything that follows. So, as I said earlier, Satan was actually helping Jesus.
Originally posted by kirksey957 The temptation in the wilderness serves as the backdrop to the very beginning of Jesus' ministry. It serves as Jesus' initiation into everything that follows. So, as I said earlier, Satan was actually helping Jesus.
Don't think so as nothing in those scriptures points to that at all. I don't believe there are any scriptures in the Bible that says Satan is "purposely" helping God in anyway. But Satan by his actions and God knowing what those would be in a given situation, Satan would act or react as God could foresee.
Originally posted by galveston75 Don't think so as nothing in those scriptures points to that at all. I don't believe there are any scriptures in the Bible that says Satan is "purposely" helping God in anyway. But Satan by his actions and God knowing what those would be in a given situation, Satan would act or react as God could foresee.
Well, if you're so damn smart about all this, why can't you answer the original question in this thread?
Satan / Jesus
23 Dec '09 02:27
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