Originally posted by wolfgang59 I have a friend too.
He sent me this;
Theologians have discovered indisputable proof that no deity
exists. Previously the knowledge was held only by the Vatican
but it has been leaked to the JWs and Mormons who are now
arguing over who found out first.
[b]indisputable proof that means you cannot dispute it because its indisputable[/b]
Isn't it certain that every material or immaterial effect must have a certain cause?
Originally posted by wolfgang59 No.
Modern quantum theory suggests that sub-atomic particles
can spontaneously appear and disappear.
Without any cause.
... for short spurts of time in vacuums without any apparent or visible cause?
Originally posted by wolfgang59 I'm quite happy with your argument that God has no creator because he has always been. (Its the same argument that atheists use for the Universe not requiring a creator)
[b]BUT You cannot use logic and science in an argument and then use the phrase
"before time began"
its self-contradictory [/b]
You say:
You cannot use logic and science in an argument and then use the phrase
"before time began"
its self-contradictory
I say that depends on your definition and view of time.
Originally posted by avalanchethecat I did glance briefly at the creationist site you referenced, but finding that the article in question is a chapter from a book published in 1963 overly taxed my ability to consider the potential pertinence of any information contained therein.
Here's a link for you:
http://tinyurl.com/aheonz9
It's a google search listing over 2 million resu ...[text shortened]... truly amazing advances in genetic science not available to Morris prior to his publication.
If they think genetics is based on evolution, then they are wrong and stupid too. There is genetic adaptation but no genetic evolution. 😏
Suzianne, I am surprised that you claim there is no proof a deity exists. What about God, the creator of the universe? Don't you consider God a deity? Don't you believe he created the heavens and the earth? Is that not proof that a deity exists. Don't you believe the Lord Jesus the Christ, the eternal Son of God, became a man? Don't you believe God raised Jesus from the dead after three days and nights like was predicted? Why is that not proof that a deity exists?
I suppose you must also believe the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo are fakes and not the actual burial clothes of Christ or perhaps there is no proof Jesus the Christ even exited. That does not sound like a Christian to me. Perhaps you have a different definition of a Christian. I hope not. I hope you were just not thinking this through.
Originally posted by RJHinds Suzianne, I am surprised that you claim there is no proof a deity exists. What about God, the creator of the universe? Don't you consider God a deity? Don't you believe he created the heavens and the earth? Is that not proof that a deity exists. Don't you believe the Lord Jesus the Christ, the eternal Son of God, became a man? Don't you believe God raise ...[text shortened]... ent definition of a Christian. I hope not. I hope you were just not thinking this through.
She realistic on the scientific front - and that does not have to be represented from the internal front, which is her right, and correctly so in presenting!
Originally posted by RJHinds You say:
You cannot use logic and science in an argument and then use the phrase
"before time began"
its self-contradictory
I say that depends on your definition and view of time.
Originally posted by RJHinds If they think genetics is based on evolution, then they are wrong and stupid too. There is genetic adaptation but no genetic evolution. 🙄
You ain't gettin' any smarter, are you? Perhaps you have a brain parasite or something.
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