why would people think that? god doesnt seem to be worried about what people think when flooded the planet killing millions.
Satan is a liar and a deceiver. He deceived one third of the angels of God -
"And another sign was seen in heaven and behold, ... a great red dragon ... and his tail drags away the third part of the stars of heaven, and he cast them to the earth ..." (See Rev. 12:3,4)
Creatures of God were deceived into thinking things which are not true. [/quote]
god doesnt seem to be worried about what people think
If God did not care what people of Noah's time THOUGHT then why this passage:
"And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIS HEART WAS ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY" (Gen 6:5)
God was concerned about the uninterrupted, continuous evil imagination of the thoughts of man.
you cant have god both ways, when he floods he is killing evil doers, yet he's worried about gossip if he kills the root of evil.
Your criticism makes no sense to me.
Given Noah's thoughts and Enoch's thoughts (men of the time) in contrast to the continual evil thoughts of the majority, we see clearly what God prefered. And we also see Enoch saved from that judgment. We see Noah saved from that judgment.
So you are delusional that man's thinking means nothing to God and has no consequences. "The earth is filled with violence" (v.6)
This violence originated in the corrupted thought life.
are you suggesting that god didnt know the first rebellion was coming? he has a fix now, so he didnt have a fix the first time? how does he know that it wont happen again if he's gotten it wrong the first time.
No I am not suggesting that god didn't know.
And I do not know HOW much God knows about eternity future. While we may speculate and philosophies a lot, the practical need before us is to be reconciled to God through Christ. I really don't HAVE to know all the answers to our speculative musings.
I can freely admit that there are some unknowns which I can only propose some imperfect answers to. None of these partial explanations are enough to freeze my heart from not responding to the gracious offer of redemption through the death and resurrection of Christ.
I am not hunting for a philosophical loophole that I may rationalize not being reconciled to God through Christ's salvation.
this is riddled with stupidity. the most intelligent being in the universe creates creatures 1/3 of his angels turn evil, 2/2 humans turn evil - this is gross stupidity and bad parenting/teaching, you cannot blame free will, free will does not create evil, if free will created evil how human children turn out wouldnt be connected to how they are brought up and educated, good and evil would be random, free will is still controlled by how our brains work, our brains are a product of our dna passed from our parents and learnt behavior as we grow up.
This accusation also makes no sense to me. If anyone in human history was ever qualified to charge God with "stupidity" it would be Jesus Christ. If you can point to Christ charging God with stupidity then I would be forced to take it much more seriously.
As it stands, with all the paradoxes, Christ refers to His Father as "Righteous Father"
. The accusation that you have intertained is that a kind of unrighteous stupidity should be charged against God.
Through the history of God's dealings I see tremendous wisdom and the ability to overcome every imaginable kind of obstacle placed in His way. I have to agree with Paul that God's foolishness is wiser than the wisdom of man.
Do you know what is stupid ? What is stupid is to self yourself for nothing. If you sell yourself to the Devil what do you think you will receive for doing so ?
Selling your soul to the devil for nothing - now that's stupid. This is the stupidity exemplified in a character like Judas Iscariot
. When you can explain to me what possible benefit Judas could have derived to betray Christ, then maybe I can somehow see some dubious "wisdom" in not being reconciled to God through His gracious salvation.
This is the stupidity which drove a man to finally hate himself. When it dawned upon him what he had done to fight against the Son of God, how stupid he must have felt - to the point of wanting to hang himself.
But previously Satan had deceived him to consider himself a pretty clever person join the opposition party against Christ.
of coarse god created satan, it doesnt matter how satan turned out, god is responsible. god created his mind and his nature, god did nothing to help satan as he decended towards dark thoughts,
I don't think God created Satan. I told you and we just have to go our different ways here.
Now, I also told you that there are indications that the evil angels all had a span of time in which to repent. These evidences I gsther from a number of places in the Bible, all of which I will not go into now.
But arguably Psalm 82
shows God asking the gods how long they will continue to be in error. This Psalms begings -
"God stands in the congregation of God; He judges in the midst of the gods. How long will you judge unjustly and respect the persons of the wicked .." (v.1,2)
The audience is understood by many to be "the gods"
or angelic beings. At any rate we can see God reasoning and seeking to correct them. Then God warns these "gods"
I said, You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless you will die like men ..." (v.6)
Now we know that elsewhere in both Job
and in Genesis
the angels were called the sons of God. For God to warn these sons that their consequence of evil doing will be to them as the death of men, suggests punishment is coming. But He seeks to correct them.
So I believe that there must have been some span of time in which Satan and the angelic rebels with him had time to repent. Now that time is probably over. For the eternal fire has been prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41)
Eventually the punishment had to be "prepared"
. And the other demonic creatures (whom are of a another class from fallen angels) also now seem to expect nothing but punishment:
"And behold, they [demons] cried out, saying, What do we have to do with You, Son of God? Have You come here before the time to torment us ?" (Matt. 8:29)
This is a tragic view of the opposition party against Christ and God. The opportunity to repent has come and gone. Now they only expect "the time"
to someday arrive. That is the time in which they depart into that "prepared for the devil and his angels"
Genesis 3 may also indicate that Satan had time in which his evil was at least restricted and perhaps could have been remedied. God says to the serpent -
"And Jehovah God said to the serpent, Because you have done THIS, You are cursed more than all the cattle ... etc'" (Gen 3:14)
This phraseology could possibly mean something like "THIS TIME ... YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR". The "this"
in "Because you have done THIS ..."
seems to indicate some lower sinking of moral depravity beyond all limits.
Now I could be reading too much into Genesis 3:14
. But God's is the Judge of all the earth. It seems illogical that there would be judgment without any opportunity to be reconciled to God. And Psalm 82
has God apparently reaching out to superhuman beings for their correction, yet with a warning.
where was god to put an arm around him and help?
All the details of all of God's doings we do not have. I presented to you some evidence in Psalm 82 of God reaching out to superhuman "gods"
apparently to adjust their wayward behavior.
The age of "sympathy for the Devil" may be over. Definitely God is reaching our to you and I in His Son Jesus Christ. That is what we need to consider.
Look at Revelation 20. Satan is further bound for 1,000 years while Christ establishes His millennial kingdom of peace. Then the Devil is loosed from his prison. Would you think that Satan would repent by then ?
Anyway, even after 1,000 years of seeing Christ's peaceful and righteous reign upon the earth, Satan is loosed and goes out to again deceive and opposition party against Christ.
"And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison. and will go out to DECEIVE THE NATIONS which are at the four courners of the earth, God and Magog, to gather them together for the war. Their number is like that of the sand of the sea." (Rev. 20:7,8)
The Devil is still up to his revolt. The time for you to be concerned about God's sympathetic arm around this being may be long, long, LONG over.
I would advize you not to be concerned for Satan's redemption any longer. I would suggest you consider the redemption of human beings through Christ. Satan is so evil that he could play on your sympathy to deceive you to join him in the eternal damnation to which he is going.
He doesn't want to go alone. And he expresses his hatred towards God by dragging men to be with him.
if god did, then god failed, making god fallible. if god is fallible then god makes mistakes, which means we should question everything god does.
The universe of controlled robots in which God pushes a button and we all respond with love toward Him, apparently does not exist.
If you decide this represents the "fallibility" of the Creator, that's your opinion. I think it is in error. Feel...