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Originally posted by RJHindsWhat you think of as design that requires a designer is better explained as adaptation
There is no natural evolution for the better, only adaptation to a point, at best. Evolution requires design change, which always requires the input of new information from a Designer.
through selective natural pressure. It's the better explanation, because it is the simpler one,
and it fits the evidence.
How well do you understand DNA? What it's made of, how it's replicated and the various
ways in which it can mutate during replication?
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Originally posted by C HessI probably understand DNA better than most people on RHP. I know that the DNA molecule of a cell is something like a hard drive storage media in computers. It stores the information programming for the construction of parts in the cell and the total reproduction of cells.
What you think of as design that requires a designer is better explained as adaptation
through selective natural pressure. It's the better explanation, because it is the simpler one,
and it fits the evidence.
How well do you understand DNA? What it's made of, how it's replicated and the various
ways in which it can mutate during replication?
Here is a quick video introduction to what I mean.
Using Your DNA as a Hard Drive
What is DNA?
Originally posted by RJHindsYou shouldn't really believe in Youtube, you know.
DNA Refutes Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rCkFLq3uts
Every opinion has its counterpart and you can find them both in Youtube.
Whatever opinion there is in the world, there is a corresponding Youtube clip.
Because you don't take the evolution clips for the truth, do you? Then why should the evilution clips be more truth?
If you use Youtube as your bible, then you have big problems.
Originally posted by FabianFnasYes, but YouTube takes me away to a world in which I'm a great presenter, like the guy I'm watching, and the opposition doesn't get to respond, because this is my YouTube channel.
You shouldn't really believe in Youtube, you know.
Every opinion has its counterpart and you can find them both in Youtube.
Whatever opinion there is in the world, there is a corresponding Youtube clip.
Because you don't take the evolution clips for the truth, do you? Then why should the evilution clips be more truth?
If you use Youtube as your bible, then you have big problems.
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Originally posted by RJHindsI will respond to the first two videos later (when I'm seated by my desktop and can type on
I probably understand DNA better than most people on RHP. I know that the DNA molecule of a cell is something like a hard drive storage media in computers. It stores the information programming for the construction of parts in the cell and the total reproduction of cells.
Here is a quick video introduction to what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...[text shortened]... w.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-kLA3uEyA
What is DNA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwibgNGe4aY
a keyboard because this smartphone typing is annoying to the point of insanity), the last
video is an excellent introduction to DNA that I have no objection to (in fact, ironically
enough it ends by pointing out that as complicated as it seems, it's all chemistry). The
reason I asked what you know of DNA is a response to your claim that information is never
added to DNA without a designer input, which is a patently false statement, as I will
demonstrate in my response.
Originally posted by C HessThe laws the governs chemistry were made by God.
I will respond to the first two videos later (when I'm seated by my desktop and can type on
a keyboard because this smartphone typing is annoying to the point of insanity), the last
video is an excellent introduction to DNA that I have no objection to (in fact, ironically
enough it ends by pointing out that as complicated as it seems, it's all chemistry ...[text shortened]... t a designer input, which is a patently false statement, as I will
demonstrate in my response.
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Originally posted by RJHindsThe problem with the first video is that he's using a metaphor to describe
I probably understand DNA better than most people on RHP. I know that the DNA molecule of a cell is something like a hard drive storage media in computers. It stores the information programming for the construction of parts in the cell and the total reproduction of cells.
Here is a quick video introduction to what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...[text shortened]... w.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-kLA3uEyA
What is DNA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwibgNGe4aY
what the DNA is about, but the metaphor is poorly chosen. DNA is "code" for
life, in the same way that black powder is "code" for thermal energy.
The process by which DNA is used to produce proteins is under ideal
circumstances as portrayed in the last video, but often (like really often)
mistakes occur (or nothing happens). That's because what you've got is not a
perfectly tuned machine reading code and following instructions to the letter,
but instead molecules floating around, colliding and reacting with each other
in really random ways. A lot of what should happen in a cell doesn't happen
nine times out of ten, but when it does, it works. Sometimes even the wrong
reactions take place (like when a virus randomly hits a cell which can react
with it in such a way that the virus is copied, increasing the odds that more
cells will be infected). It should be clear now that the only reason anything in
your body works, is because of the sheer number of molecules available with
which a cell can react. Not every protein you digest is going to be broken into
amino acids, and not every amino acid in a cell is going to be used to create
new proteins. It's a very imprecise, sloppy machine with a lot of waste, the
cell is.
When using DNA as a storage medium, that's the moment that DNA
ceases to be just a molecule, and becomes information. The information part
is in our minds, and the DNA can carry information for us. Of course, when
saying "when will I carry my torrents around in my cells", it should be clear
to everyone that the man is joking. I'd like to see what happens to you if you
insert DNA structured to hold Shakespeare’s collected works into the nuclei
of your cells. It should be interesting.
Now, because the cell is an imprecise machine, DNA is not self-replicating
(the cell is), DNA is not self-correcting (don't know where he got that from),
when cells divide, they don't always divide perfectly. This is how new kinds
of cells can come to be. Those cells that works well survives, and those that
don't die. Everything in nature, from bacteria to elephants are made up of
cells (well, bacteria would be one cell...), so if cells are self-replicating
through imperfect means allowing changes to creep into the process, clearly
"information" can be added to produce new life forms, and since only those
forms of life that are successful in their environment survives, it appears as
though someone designed only the forms to fill their specific niche in nature.
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Originally posted by C HessWe expect the universe to be organized in a logical, orderly fashion and to obey uniform laws because the universe was created by the power of God.
Prove it.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
(Genesis 1:1 NIV)
This is what the Lord says: ‘If I have not made my covenant with day and night and established the laws of heaven and earth, then I will reject the descendants of Jacob and David my servant and will not choose one of his sons to rule over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For I will restore their fortunes and have compassion on them.’”
(Jeremiah 33:25-26 NIV)
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
(Colossians 1:16 NIV)
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
(Genesis 1:27 NIV)
These are a few of the verses in the Holy Bible that show that God created the heavens and the earth, including those things visible and invisible to us, and established the laws of heaven and earth that would include the laws of physics and chemistry.
Robert Boyle, the father of modern chemistry, said, "God would not have made the universe as it is unless He intended us to understand it."
Conflicts between science and the Bible, Boyle explained, were either due to a mistake in science or an incorrect interpretation of Scripture.
http://www.icr.org/article/science-man-god-robert-boyle/
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Originally posted by C HessThe DNA molecule is not the actual code, but it stores coded information as the second video proves. The replication process is not random, but pre-programmed by the coded information that must be read and interpreted to produce the correct proteins in a specific order. You need to review these videos again so you can correct your errors in thinking about DNA.
The problem with the first video is that he's using a metaphor to describe
what the DNA is about, but the metaphor is poorly chosen. DNA is "code" for
life, in the same way that black powder is "code" for thermal energy.
The process by which DNA is used to produce proteins is under ideal
circumstances as portrayed in the last video, but often (like r ...[text shortened]... , it appears as
though someone designed only the forms to fill their specific niche in nature.