Scientists have the ability to be wrong:

Originally posted by FMF
So that's a "no" then?

I didn't realize you were only looking for a simple "yes" or "no" answer.

Originally posted by lemon lime
I didn't realize you were only looking for a simple "yes" or "no" answer.

If you were sincere in your efforts to oppose "hate speech" and thought you had a good handle on what it actually is, you would surely be able to give a straight forward answer to my straight forward yes or no question.

Originally posted by FMF
If you were sincere in your efforts to oppose "hate speech" and thought you had a good handle on what it actually is, you would surely be able to give a straight forward answer to my straight forward yes or no question.

Most people think it's a good idea to have reasons for what they say... and if you sincerely wanted to know what I was saying then perhaps you should have taken the time to read what I said.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Most people think it's a good idea to have reasons for what they say... and if you sincerely wanted to know what I was saying then perhaps you should have taken the time to read what I said.

I did. That's why I called you on it. In my experience here at RHP, posters brandishing the notion of "hate speech" more often than not do so in an attempt to poison the discourse ~ land a punch, so to speak, even in weaselly or waffly ways, as in your case ~ and they do not intend their reference to "hate speech" to be an attempt at genuine analysis. I suppose, in a way, your reaction to me calling you on it two or three posts ago is a sign that you are perhaps engaged in the 'more often than not' thing.

Originally posted by sonhouse
But theists have no such ability. They can NEVER be wrong (in their own minds) They are filled to the brim with absolute certainty.

Even if that certainty is opposite other theist's certainty.

Wars start over such certainty.

Very broad brush you are painting everyone with, care to be a little bit more
specific? Scientist can be wrong about what? Theist can never be wrong
about what?

I responded to you about this once already, I don't know a single Theist
that believes they cannot be wrong, I do however believe more than one
Atheist here believes what they believe about the universe is true and those
that don't see the universe the way they do are all wrong, because they
are just certain they view things as they are, in other words they can never
be wrong (in their own minds).

If you want to suggest you can speak for all scientist, well that would make
you someone of importance, I would guess in your mind, well I think you
get the picture.

Originally posted by FMF
I did. That's why I called you on it. In my experience here at RHP, posters brandishing the notion of "hate speech" more often than not do so in an attempt to poison the discourse ~ land a punch, so to speak, even in weaselly or waffly ways, as in your case ~ and they do not intend their reference to "hate speech" to be an attempt at genuine analysis. I suppose, ...[text shortened]... wo or three posts ago is a sign that you are perhaps engaged in the 'more often than not' thing.

It's been nice chatting with you... we should it again sometime. 😵

Originally posted by KellyJay
I responded to you about this once already, I don't know a single Theist
that believes they cannot be wrong...

...I do however believe more than one Atheist here believes what they believe about the universe is true and those that don't see the universe the way they do are all wrong, because they are just certain they view things as they are, in other words they can never be wrong (in their own minds).

You have been on this forum how many years and you've never seen a theist who "...believes what they believe about the universe is true and those that don't see the universe the way they do are all wrong, because they are just certain they view things as they are"? Goodness me!

You've never seen any theist express certainty in their beliefs in a way similar to how atheists often do? Very odd. I see it here all the time.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
So you could be wrong about the existence of god? It could be that, despite what you believe, there is no god and this life is all there is?

Yes? No? Maybe?

I could be wrong about many things, but I do not count those among them.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by RJHinds
I could be wrong about many things, but I do not count those among them.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

It is the difference between someone's facts and another's faith. I say faith
because I cannot prove it, I have to leave room for being wrong. While those
that wish to dismiss us claim to have facts to back their views up, and some
of those facts are just beliefs, they could be wrong, yet are Hell bent on
declaring how wrong we are. The only ones that could or would declare how
wrong we are are those that believe their views are, well, right.

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That is very true, it is not the dog soldiers I am talking about, not infantry or the flyboys, I am talking about the politicians who make the decisions to go to war.

If your prime minister or president comes on CNN and declares war, there is not much the soldier can do about it, even the generals. The boss says we are going to war, you go to war.

The certainty I am talking about is like the first forays of Islam, armies going out around the year 750 AD or so and taking over ajoining countries to force them to convert to Islam.

It is THAT kind of certainty I am talking about.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Very broad brush you are painting everyone with, care to be a little bit more
specific? Scientist can be wrong about what? Theist can never be wrong
about what?

I responded to you about this once already, I don't know a single Theist
that believes they cannot be wrong, I do however believe more than one
Atheist here believes what they believe about ...[text shortened]... make
you someone of importance, I would guess in your mind, well I think you
get the picture.

I don't know a single Theist
that believes they cannot be wrong,

so you accept that there is a chance God does not exist, correct?

Originally posted by Suzianne
No.

There you go. Sonhouse was right.

How about your brand of religion? Do you think there is a chance Muslims have it right when it comes to their beliefs, and not you? Could RJHinds' ideas about how god operates be correct and not yours?

Do you think your beliefs about god being good, might be wrong?

He still says "No."

Originally posted by OdBod
That is not true, I am an atheist but admit I could be wrong. Theists cannot make this simple statement. A small but highly significant difference.

And by making that claim, you've just proved yourself wrong. Again.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
There you go. Sonhouse was right.

How about your brand of religion? Do you think there is a chance Muslims have it right when it comes to their beliefs, and not you? Could RJHinds' ideas about how god operates be correct and not yours?

Do you think your beliefs about god being good, might be wrong?

There you go. Sonhouse was right.

What can pointing to one particular religion (Islam) prove about all religions? He's done a bait and switch here. First he makes a (generalized) statement defining (all) theists, and then he points to a form of Islam (specific example) that comes the closest to fitting his definition. I'm assuming he won't try to pull a bait and double switch... proving a general definition by pointing to a specific example, and then using that example to prove his general definition.

However, now that I think about it (and I could be wrong) it is possible he might do just that.