1. Standard memberno1marauder
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    14 Dec '06 04:55
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Marauder, you are a Scientology freak ! Admit it ....
    All nutjob religions should be treated equally.
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    14 Dec '06 15:501 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    All nutjob religions should be treated equally.
    Especially in case they are not religions but nutjob criminal companies.
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    14 Dec '06 15:56
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Especially in case they are not religions but nutjob criminal companies.
    I'm pretty sure they'd fit all the requirements of a religion.
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    14 Dec '06 20:46
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Especially in case they are not religions but nutjob criminal companies.
    I don't consider the German government as experts in deciding what religious belief systems qualify as "criminal conspiracies", despite the fact that said government used to be one.
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    14 Dec '06 22:16
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    The pope's stress test involves some type of a device known simply as "The Rack." What's up with that?
    For the first time ever, you have made me laugh!

    You'll be declaring yourself to be an atheist next.
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    14 Dec '06 23:35
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Maybe there is. Reading your reactions and questions you are probably more equiped to google on it and find it than yours truly.
    no, that'll do thanks. I was not interested in whether or not MSG was bad for your health, but rather whether you were extolling something as fact without any proof, even enough to convince yourself by the looks.
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    15 Dec '06 00:391 edit
    Originally posted by belgianfreak
    no, that'll do thanks. I was not interested in whether or not MSG was bad for your health, but rather whether you were extolling something as fact without any proof, even enough to convince yourself by the looks.
    ..... and ..... did I pass the test ?
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    15 Dec '06 01:41
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Germany takes the right course of action against these dangerous frauds
    So what is the Netherlands outlook on these "dangerous frauds"?

    They are QUITE well received in the Netherlands Antilles. Their Flag Ship the "Freewinds" spends part of every single week docked in Curacao and Bonaire. Should they expect any changes when Bonaire becomes an official Dutch City next year?

    I'm just interested because I see their ship every week.
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    Originally posted by tmetzler
    So what is the Netherlands outlook on these "dangerous frauds"?

    They are QUITE well received in the Netherlands Antilles. Their Flag Ship the "Freewinds" spends part of every single week docked in Curacao and Bonaire. Should they expect any changes when Bonaire becomes an official Dutch City next year?

    I'm just interested because I see their ship every week.
    I have no idea ......
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    Originally posted by belgianfreak
    no, that'll do thanks. I was not interested in whether or not MSG was bad for your health, but rather whether you were extolling something as fact without any proof, even enough to convince yourself by the looks.
    I did find it a bit puzzling that you didn't check out the site I gave you more thouroughly, before asking for more research on MSG.

    If you took the trouble to do so you would have found the following information very easily by clicking on the link "Related Research" on the site's first page. I found it again "puzzling" that you managed to draw the conclusion that you did not find "proper proof" of the health risks involved and the correlation between MSG intake and these illnesses. You only saw "conjecture and circumstantial correlation" at this site.

    http://www.msgtruth.org/related.htm

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    I found it quite amazing that you were able to draw the conclusion you mentioned in your post since there is such a lot of scientific research on the matter to check out.


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