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Originally posted by karoly aczel- Doing just fine; there are many in the native cultures.
How's shamanism doing in the modern world? Are we too cynical to recieve wisdom from these mediums? What form does the modern day shaman take?
Are shamans the devil in disguise?
- Whether one can receive any wisdom depends on the individual.
- The homeopathic style of healer.
- Absolutely not.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by BadwaterI was just thinkig that maybe ancient cultures may have been a bit more simpler and hence the role of the shaman a bit more str8forward,(if there is such a thing in spiritual matters). Modern day people can seem to complex and faithless to believe someone could communicate withe the divine to help them in their lives..
- Doing just fine; there are many in the native cultures.
- Whether one can receive any wisdom depends on the individual.
- The homeopathic style of healer.
- Absolutely not.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelI'm not sure if you are looking for personal opinion KA but here is mine:
How's shamanism doing in the modern world? Are we too cynical to recieve wisdom from these mediums? What form does the modern day shaman take?
Are shamans the devil in disguise?
- You don't see many in the modern world, at least not where I live
- Cynicism is not restricted to Shamanism
- I don't know, probably a charlatan of some sort
- The ones with any real power will be influenced by unknown unnamed spiritual entities. You roll the dice and take your spiritual chances, if you are that way inclined; I’m not.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by divegeesterAlways looking for personal opinions Dr Smith. Things written in books are dead. Especially if the authors are. Not that I dont value books...
I'm not sure if you are looking for personal opinion KA but here is mine:
- You don't see many in the modern world, at least not where I live
- Cynicism is not restricted to Shamanism
- I don't know, probably a charlatan of some sort
- The ones with any real power will be influenced by unknown unnamed spiritual entities. You roll the dice and take your spiritual chances, if you are that way inclined; I’m not.
Your take sounds skeptical but not altogether dismissive. Hmmm. "Roll the dice"..I don't know if the dynamics to the universe are that loose. Certainly our own thinking will affect our rspective universes. 🙂
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by josephwI know me. I know my locaity,the people around me. I would know you if I was sharing the same air with you. I know you a bit through your posts. You seem very dilligent and sincere🙂
You don't know?
I have my own ideas. I asked these questions to "put my feelers out" and possibly learn more...
this global internet thing is cool!
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelI hear ya!
I know me. I know my locaity,the people around me. I would know you if I was sharing the same air with you. I know you a bit through your posts. You seem very dilligent and sincere🙂
I have my own ideas. I asked these questions to "put my feelers out" and possibly learn more...
this global internet thing is cool!
But, if one knows the truth then one can tell when one hears a lie.
Know the truth.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelAll is truth?
All is truth. Even false things are true...("How does that work?",one may ask. "I don't know-I didn't make it up!"😉
That implies absolutes. If there are absolutes, then it follows that there are things that are absolutely false.
"All is truth. Even false things are true..." That is an absolute contradiction in terms karoly.
Start thinking friend.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by josephwLife is a paradox. What can I say? Sorry? God has a twisted sense of humour.
All is truth?
That implies absolutes. If there are absolutes, then it follows that there are things that are absolutely false.
"All is truth. Even false things are true..." That is an absolute contradiction in terms karoly.
Start thinking friend.
Me start thinking? Ha!! Why do people always need to take their own advice?...It puzzles me to this day. Now dont take it personally and try to work yourself up and tell me why presicesly life,(or the universe,god,etc.), is NOT a paradox?
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelLife is a paradox? Another statement of absolutism.
Life is a paradox. What can I say? Sorry? God has a twisted sense of humour.
Me start thinking? Ha!! Why do people always need to take their own advice?...It puzzles me to this day. Now dont take it personally and try to work yourself up and tell me why presicesly life,(or the universe,god,etc.), is NOT a paradox?
You don't hear yourself. You're not being paradoxical, you're being contradictory.
One cannot make the claim that life is a paradox unless one has absolute proof.
Do you see what I mean?
Life isn't a paradox. Life is full of contradictions though.
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06 Dec 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelThe older cultures, especially most in North America, were far more in tune with their interdependence with nature than the modern North America culture, and continue to be. The shamans are not witch doctors or practitioners of some sort of "black magic"; rather, they use their knowledge of nature in healing ways for those they serve. Thus my allusion to their role akin to homeopathic healers for that is what they are.
I was just thinkig that maybe ancient cultures may have been a bit more simpler and hence the role of the shaman a bit more str8forward,(if there is such a thing in spiritual matters). Modern day people can seem to complex and faithless to believe someone could communicate withe the divine to help them in their lives..
Any suggestion that the practice is somehow evil or the work of the "devil" is born of gross cultural ignorance and reared by stupidity.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by josephw(just re-read the last line of your post)
Life is a paradox? Another statement of absolutism.
You don't hear yourself. You're not being paradoxical, you're being contradictory.
One cannot make the claim that life is a paradox unless one has absolute proof.
Do you see what I mean?
Life isn't a paradox. Life is full of contradictions though.