1. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    06 Dec '09 01:10
    How's shamanism doing in the modern world? Are we too cynical to recieve wisdom from these mediums? What form does the modern day shaman take?
    Are shamans the devil in disguise?
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    06 Dec '09 04:381 edit
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    How's shamanism doing in the modern world? Are we too cynical to recieve wisdom from these mediums? What form does the modern day shaman take?
    Are shamans the devil in disguise?
    - Doing just fine; there are many in the native cultures.

    - Whether one can receive any wisdom depends on the individual.

    - The homeopathic style of healer.

    - Absolutely not.
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    06 Dec '09 07:21
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    How's shamanism doing in the modern world? Are we too cynical to recieve wisdom from these mediums? What form does the modern day shaman take?
    Are shamans the devil in disguise?
    The bones say...
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    06 Dec '09 07:39
    Originally posted by Badwater
    - Doing just fine; there are many in the native cultures.

    - Whether one can receive any wisdom depends on the individual.

    - The homeopathic style of healer.

    - Absolutely not.
    I was just thinkig that maybe ancient cultures may have been a bit more simpler and hence the role of the shaman a bit more str8forward,(if there is such a thing in spiritual matters). Modern day people can seem to complex and faithless to believe someone could communicate withe the divine to help them in their lives..
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    06 Dec '09 09:27
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    How's shamanism doing in the modern world? Are we too cynical to recieve wisdom from these mediums? What form does the modern day shaman take?
    Are shamans the devil in disguise?
    I'm not sure if you are looking for personal opinion KA but here is mine:

    - You don't see many in the modern world, at least not where I live

    - Cynicism is not restricted to Shamanism

    - I don't know, probably a charlatan of some sort

    - The ones with any real power will be influenced by unknown unnamed spiritual entities. You roll the dice and take your spiritual chances, if you are that way inclined; I’m not.
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    06 Dec '09 10:00
    Originally posted by divegeester
    I'm not sure if you are looking for personal opinion KA but here is mine:

    - You don't see many in the modern world, at least not where I live

    - Cynicism is not restricted to Shamanism

    - I don't know, probably a charlatan of some sort

    - The ones with any real power will be influenced by unknown unnamed spiritual entities. You roll the dice and take your spiritual chances, if you are that way inclined; I’m not.
    Always looking for personal opinions Dr Smith. Things written in books are dead. Especially if the authors are. Not that I dont value books...
    Your take sounds skeptical but not altogether dismissive. Hmmm. "Roll the dice"..I don't know if the dynamics to the universe are that loose. Certainly our own thinking will affect our rspective universes. 🙂
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    06 Dec '09 12:57
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    How's shamanism doing in the modern world? Are we too cynical to recieve wisdom from these mediums? What form does the modern day shaman take?
    Are shamans the devil in disguise?
    You don't know?
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    06 Dec '09 13:07
    Originally posted by josephw
    You don't know?
    I know me. I know my locaity,the people around me. I would know you if I was sharing the same air with you. I know you a bit through your posts. You seem very dilligent and sincere🙂
    I have my own ideas. I asked these questions to "put my feelers out" and possibly learn more...
    this global internet thing is cool!
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    06 Dec '09 13:19
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I know me. I know my locaity,the people around me. I would know you if I was sharing the same air with you. I know you a bit through your posts. You seem very dilligent and sincere🙂
    I have my own ideas. I asked these questions to "put my feelers out" and possibly learn more...
    this global internet thing is cool!
    I hear ya!

    But, if one knows the truth then one can tell when one hears a lie.

    Know the truth.
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    06 Dec '09 13:20
    Originally posted by josephw
    I hear ya!

    But, if one knows the truth then one can tell when one hears a lie.

    Know the truth.
    All is truth. Even false things are true...("How does that work?",one may ask. "I don't know-I didn't make it up!"😉
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    06 Dec '09 13:36
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    All is truth. Even false things are true...("How does that work?",one may ask. "I don't know-I didn't make it up!"😉
    All is truth?

    That implies absolutes. If there are absolutes, then it follows that there are things that are absolutely false.

    "All is truth. Even false things are true..." That is an absolute contradiction in terms karoly.

    Start thinking friend.
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    06 Dec '09 13:48
    Originally posted by josephw
    All is truth?

    That implies absolutes. If there are absolutes, then it follows that there are things that are absolutely false.

    "All is truth. Even false things are true..." That is an absolute contradiction in terms karoly.

    Start thinking friend.
    Life is a paradox. What can I say? Sorry? God has a twisted sense of humour.
    Me start thinking? Ha!! Why do people always need to take their own advice?...It puzzles me to this day. Now dont take it personally and try to work yourself up and tell me why presicesly life,(or the universe,god,etc.), is NOT a paradox?
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    06 Dec '09 15:48
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Life is a paradox. What can I say? Sorry? God has a twisted sense of humour.
    Me start thinking? Ha!! Why do people always need to take their own advice?...It puzzles me to this day. Now dont take it personally and try to work yourself up and tell me why presicesly life,(or the universe,god,etc.), is NOT a paradox?
    Life is a paradox? Another statement of absolutism.

    You don't hear yourself. You're not being paradoxical, you're being contradictory.

    One cannot make the claim that life is a paradox unless one has absolute proof.

    Do you see what I mean?

    Life isn't a paradox. Life is full of contradictions though.
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    06 Dec '09 18:24
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I was just thinkig that maybe ancient cultures may have been a bit more simpler and hence the role of the shaman a bit more str8forward,(if there is such a thing in spiritual matters). Modern day people can seem to complex and faithless to believe someone could communicate withe the divine to help them in their lives..
    The older cultures, especially most in North America, were far more in tune with their interdependence with nature than the modern North America culture, and continue to be. The shamans are not witch doctors or practitioners of some sort of "black magic"; rather, they use their knowledge of nature in healing ways for those they serve. Thus my allusion to their role akin to homeopathic healers for that is what they are.

    Any suggestion that the practice is somehow evil or the work of the "devil" is born of gross cultural ignorance and reared by stupidity.
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    06 Dec '09 21:24
    Originally posted by josephw
    Life is a paradox? Another statement of absolutism.

    You don't hear yourself. You're not being paradoxical, you're being contradictory.

    One cannot make the claim that life is a paradox unless one has absolute proof.

    Do you see what I mean?

    Life isn't a paradox. Life is full of contradictions though.
    (just re-read the last line of your post)
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