Originally posted by Proper Knobbecause its implicit it forming your world-view and how it relates to your own thoughts
And how does that explicitly relate to atheists and not theists or deists?
and opinions of various issues, thus you are being led in the same way as the sheep,
only under the guise of being independent.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat's right, unlike you, i read science books and make an evaluation with my own mind.
because its implicit it forming your world-view and how it relates to your own thoughts
and opinions of various issues, thus you are being led in the same way as the sheep,
only under the guise of being independent.
Your point?
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoWhich is not true at all. As far as I know, scientists (unlike some theists) leave open the possibility that some things are uncaused.
" the positivism of many scientists,whether latent or open,is incomaptible with skepticism,for it accepts without question the assumption that material effect is impossible without material cause."
I would also like to know from you, what alternative types of causes you can think of, and explain to me in scientific terms how you think they would work. I am just trying to clarify what you mean by 'material'.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am tempted to give two more quotes: "sociologists coined the term"scientism" back in the 1940s when they realized that many scientists unthinkingly accepted many scientific theories as simple,unquestioned Truths,just like believers in any"ism" and thus we often acted like any prejudiced "believer"especially outside our immediate areas of expertise".(http://issc-taste.org/index.shtml)
because its implicit it forming your world-view and how it relates to your own thoughts
and opinions of various issues, thus you are being led in the same way as the sheep,
only under the guise of being independent.
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Originally posted by rvsakhadeoyes, you cannot question science, if you do, you are a lunatic, despite its very own
I am tempted to give two more quotes: "sociologists coined the term"scientism" back in the 1940s when they realized that many scientists unthinkingly accepted many scientific theories as simple,unquestioned Truths,just like believers in any"ism" and thus we often acted like any prejudiced "believer"especially outside our immediate areas of expertise".(http://issc-taste.org/index.shtml)
creation story, miracles and faith in unobserved phenomena.
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoThe 2nd quote is too long. Just look up http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070416/full/070416-9.html)
I am tempted to give two more quotes: "sociologists coined the term"scientism" back in the 1940s when they realized that many scientists unthinkingly accepted many scientific theories as simple,unquestioned Truths,just like believers in any"ism" and thus we often acted like any prejudiced "believer"especially outside our immediate areas of expertise".(http://issc-taste.org/index.shtml)
Originally posted by twhiteheadWell,as a theist,I can think of God as a cause. By the way , by 'material' what was meant was ' made up of matter ' or ' of matter '.
Which is not true at all. As far as I know, scientists (unlike some theists) leave open the possibility that some things are uncaused.
I would also like to know from you, what alternative types of causes you can think of, and explain to me in scientific terms how you think they would work. I am just trying to clarify what you mean by 'material'.
Originally posted by twhiteheadMy Belief says God pervades everthing in this Universe and even beyond. I do not claim to ' know ' how God works. I think scientists also cannot explain why the rules of science are the way they are.But my belief says God works.
So what is God made of, and how does something that is not matter, interact with something that is?
Originally posted by twhiteheadIt is claimed that even ' consciousness ' has real measurable effects on physical processes.( http://noosphere.princeton.edu/conclusions.html )
Which is not true at all. As far as I know, scientists (unlike some theists) leave open the possibility that some things are uncaused.
I would also like to know from you, what alternative types of causes you can think of, and explain to me in scientific terms how you think they would work. I am just trying to clarify what you mean by 'material'.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOf course you can question science, whatever that actually means. Your 'beef' is that science doesn't corroborate your Biblical myth you believe in, if science did corroborate your myth then your views towards science would be very different indeed. Heck, you may even read science book!! 😉
yes, you cannot question science, if you do, you are a lunatic, despite its very own
creation story, miracles and faith in unobserved phenomena.
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And how does that explicitly relate to atheists and not theists or deists?
For rvsakhadeo -
A scientist or a group of scientists who,for the moment,have a working hypothesis which explains the phenomenon under examination very satisfactorily ( till some phenomenon comes up and upsets the hypotheses.)
And how does that explicitly relate to atheists and not theists or deists?
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoSo, is conciousness physical or non-physical?
It is claimed that even ' consciousness ' has real measurable effects on physical processes.( http://noosphere.princeton.edu/conclusions.html )
Do scientists accept that conciousness has a real measurable effect on physical processes?
If 'yes', to the above, doesn't this contradict your original assertion?