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    I'm sure this has been asked before, but how do you feel about whether kids should be forced to go to church or should they be allowed to decide. I'm not talking about babies. Lets say for want of a better age 9 or 10 yrs old and beyond.
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    16 Dec '12 16:54
    Originally posted by rickgarel
    I'm sure this has been asked before, but how do you feel about whether kids should be forced to go to church or should they be allowed to decide. I'm not talking about babies. Lets say for want of a better age 9 or 10 yrs old and beyond.
    Should you force your child to go to school? The answer should be the same, unless you are a numbnuts.
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    16 Dec '12 16:58
    Originally posted by rickgarel
    I'm sure this has been asked before, but how do you feel about whether kids should be forced to go to church or should they be allowed to decide. I'm not talking about babies. Lets say for want of a better age 9 or 10 yrs old and beyond.
    Which Church? There are so many to choose from, all claiming to be the one and only true religion and each unable to prove why this is the case.

    If I sent my son to each one, he wouldn't have much time for school.
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    16 Dec '12 17:001 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Should you force your child to go to school? The answer should be the same, unless you are a numbnuts.
    Thanks for your insightful reply sir. Knowledge is power, so knowing that I'm probably a "numbnuts" is useful. ;-)

    I appreciate your strong feelings about this, but would it not be better for a child to come to God rather then having church forced upon them?
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    16 Dec '12 17:02
    Originally posted by rickgarel
    I'm sure this has been asked before, but how do you feel about whether kids should be forced to go to church or should they be allowed to decide. I'm not talking about babies. Lets say for want of a better age 9 or 10 yrs old and beyond.
    I was just wondering what other decisions you think should be left to a 9 or 10 year old to make? Can I assume that you think going to church is wrong and this is why you posed this question?
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    16 Dec '12 17:06
    Originally posted by boonon
    I was just wondering what other decisions you think should be left to a 9 or 10 year old to make? Can I assume that you think going to church is wrong and this is why you posed this question?
    No I do not think going to church is wrong. I go to church.
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    16 Dec '12 17:07
    Originally posted by rickgarel
    I'm sure this has been asked before, but how do you feel about whether kids should be forced to go to church or should they be allowed to decide. I'm not talking about babies. Lets say for want of a better age 9 or 10 yrs old and beyond.
    Kids should sometimes be forced to go places they don't like. If the parents are church-goers, this may include church.
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    Originally posted by rickgarel
    I'm sure this has been asked before, but how do you feel about whether kids should be forced to go to church or should they be allowed to decide. I'm not talking about babies. Lets say for want of a better age 9 or 10 yrs old and beyond.
    Simply answer: ...no - never, don't ever force religion onto children until they're old enough to decide for themselves that they've given up and want a goddidit explanation for all the things they don't or cannot understand. Churches are different from schools in that the latter equip you to be a functioning and skilled member of society, churches equip you to have irrational stereotypes, a fear of imaginary lakes of fire, and subservience to some all-seeing all-doing psycho in the sky.
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    16 Dec '12 17:54
    Originally posted by rickgarel
    No I do not think going to church is wrong. I go to church.
    O.K I also attend church as do the rest of my family. My wife and I have never had to force our kids to go, even when they were 9&10, in my mind we are lucky in that respect. They are older now , 20 , 18, 16 , and 16. If someday they make the decision to not attend church I would not force them. I would convey my disappointment but not shun or admonish them. I believe their relationship with God is strong and that this would never happen. Adult (children) need to be left to navigate the world on their own. If you believe you have raised them in a way that is proper to you and your wife, hopefully they will follow these ways as young adults. May I ask how old your children are and if you attend church regularly?
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    16 Dec '12 17:59
    Originally posted by rickgarel
    Thanks for your insightful reply sir. Knowledge is power, so knowing that I'm probably a "numbnuts" is useful. ;-)

    I appreciate your strong feelings about this, but would it not be better for a child to come to God rather then having church forced upon them?
    Hang around much and RJH will give you all kinds of useful insight. He has some really deep meanigful ones so don't be shocked at what he says...
    Don't take it personal as he does this to all of us.
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    16 Dec '12 18:09
    Originally posted by Agerg
    Simply answer: ...no - never, don't ever force religion onto children until they're old enough to decide for themselves that they've given up and want a goddidit explanation for all the things they don't or cannot understand. Churches are different from schools in that the latter equip you to be a functioning and skilled member of society, churches equip you t ...[text shortened]... of imaginary lakes of fire, and subservience to some all-seeing all-doing psycho in the sky.
    If dad and mom are going and there's no one at home to watch the kids, then the kids are going. 😛
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    16 Dec '12 18:10
    Originally posted by rickgarel
    I'm sure this has been asked before, but how do you feel about whether kids should be forced to go to church or should they be allowed to decide. I'm not talking about babies. Lets say for want of a better age 9 or 10 yrs old and beyond.
    Good question. The Bible actually speaks of training ones from a young child or one version uses the word infant.
    They have discovered that even very young infants do learn more then we ever thought.

    2 Timothy 3:15
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    15 And how from your childhood you have had a knowledge of and been acquainted with the sacred Writings, which are able to instruct you and give you the understanding for salvation which comes through faith in Christ Jesus [through the [a]leaning of the entire human personality on God in Christ Jesus in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness.


    Quote: "MODERN research indicates that “fetuses have physiological reactions to voices.” University of North Carolina researchers “found that after mothers read to their children in utero, the newborns reacted when the passages were read again,” says the Winnipeg Free Press. When women read aloud while pregnant, this may well contribute to instilling good moral values in the child. The Bible says that Timothy ‘knew the holy writings from infancy.’ (2 Timothy 3:14, 15) Evidently, his mother and his grandmother appreciated the value of training him from infancy, which very likely included reading aloud.
    Reading is “the most powerful life skill that we have in our society today,” says author Jim Trelease. Language and vocabulary skills are enhanced by reading aloud.
    It is wise to begin reading aloud at least as soon as you start to talk to your infant. Even though your unborn or newborn child will not initially understand what you are saying, the potential long-term benefits are worth it. Proverbs 22:6 says: “Train up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he will not turn aside from it.”
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    Originally posted by galveston75
    Good question. The Bible actually speaks of training ones from a young child or one version uses the word infant.
    They have discovered that even very young infants do learn more then we ever thought.

    2 Timothy 3:15
    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    15 And how from your childhood you have had a knowledge of and been acquainted with the sacred Writings, which ...[text shortened]... up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he will not turn aside from it.”
    What's an amplified bible?

    Can I plug my electric guitar into it?

    Over here in Ireland we only have the King James Version.

    Over there where you are that doesn't seem to be enough,
    you have lots of different versions. Why is this the case?

    Were you not happy with the original?
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    16 Dec '12 18:53
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    What's an amplified bible?

    Can I plug my electric guitar into it?

    Over here in Ireland we only have the King James Version.

    Over there where you are that doesn't seem to be enough,
    you have lots of different versions. Why is this the case?

    Were you not happy with the original?
    Lol. Yeah it's the loudest so I like it the best...

    Here is a good site to compare many of the Bibles.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/
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    16 Dec '12 18:57
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Lol. Yeah it's the loudest so I like it the best...

    Here is a good site to compare many of the Bibles.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/
    Did you ever hear British rock singer Phil Collins singing

    "I've been talking to Jesus"

    It's a really funny song that makes a spoof of these
    American evangelists going around in white suits
    collecting millions.

    Google the song and you'll see the video for it.
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