24 Oct '07 23:37>
I said wasn’t going to bother going at this again, but (sigh)—
The Christian sin/salvation motif—at least in the West, and especially within Protestantism—seems to run generally like this:
(1) The first humans sinned (erred/failed, literally failed to hit the mark, hamartia).
—Basically, they were suckered by the serpent, in the Genesis account, into an act of disobedience.
(2) All subsequent humans are infected with this original sin (or inherited “sin nature” ).
(3) All humans therefore stand under condemnation.
(4) God, however, makes the ultimate sacrifice, becoming human and taking humanity’s sin on himself in order to destroy it (Rom. 6:6), or remove it (Heb. 9:26).
(5) God’s ultimate salvific act results in the salvation of—some.
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The first humans (and/or Satan) are able to place all under condemnation; God is able to save some?
The sin of the first humans infects all; God is able to heal some?*
The first humans (and/or Satan) create a breach between God and all; God is pleased to reconcile some?
Is this:
(a) the best that God is able to do? Or,
(b) the best that God chooses to do?
If this is the way it is, I don’t need a plethora of scriptural quotes to explain why—I’ve been through that in great detail with Epi (and really don't want to argue scriptural exegesis/interpretation). Just choose (a) or (b).
If this is not the way it is, tell me what I have gotten wrong about the “all” and the “some.”
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* The root meaning of soterias, “salvation” is to make whole or make well; hence to save, to preserve, to heal.
The Christian sin/salvation motif—at least in the West, and especially within Protestantism—seems to run generally like this:
(1) The first humans sinned (erred/failed, literally failed to hit the mark, hamartia).
—Basically, they were suckered by the serpent, in the Genesis account, into an act of disobedience.
(2) All subsequent humans are infected with this original sin (or inherited “sin nature” ).
(3) All humans therefore stand under condemnation.
(4) God, however, makes the ultimate sacrifice, becoming human and taking humanity’s sin on himself in order to destroy it (Rom. 6:6), or remove it (Heb. 9:26).
(5) God’s ultimate salvific act results in the salvation of—some.
____________________________________
The first humans (and/or Satan) are able to place all under condemnation; God is able to save some?
The sin of the first humans infects all; God is able to heal some?*
The first humans (and/or Satan) create a breach between God and all; God is pleased to reconcile some?
Is this:
(a) the best that God is able to do? Or,
(b) the best that God chooses to do?
If this is the way it is, I don’t need a plethora of scriptural quotes to explain why—I’ve been through that in great detail with Epi (and really don't want to argue scriptural exegesis/interpretation). Just choose (a) or (b).
If this is not the way it is, tell me what I have gotten wrong about the “all” and the “some.”
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* The root meaning of soterias, “salvation” is to make whole or make well; hence to save, to preserve, to heal.