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Originally posted by OmnislashYeah, and his dad tells George W to invade Iraq apparently.
He promotes love and peace throughout the world.
http://eaqffj.ytmnd.com/
Originally posted by KellyJayFair enough- its a faith thing isn't it?
Was Jesus intelligent?
Yes
Could Jesus compete with the advanced IQ's of this society?
Yes
Conjecture, then why should his ethical teachings be trusted?
His teaching need only be trusted by those following Him, since He is
Lord. Others would do well to make him Lord and follow His teachings,
but if they don’t it doesn’t matter what they do, they ...[text shortened]... e results, just as those that follow
Christ will live the results of making Jesus Lord.
Kelly
Originally posted by Conrau KPerhaps your using words the way they're not intended- because this doesn't seem to respond to what I wrote.
An argument from ignorance is hardly authoritative or conclusive.
Perhaps your using words the way they're not intended- because this doesn't seem to respond to what I wrote.
The established facts do nothing whatsoever to refute the biblical account of creation. One can accept anything as factual; however doing so does not certify the same. ou must explain why you accept bibles' moral truths and not the quasi-sceintific truths.
Originally posted by Conrau KYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!
Fair enough- its a faith thing isn't it?
Originally posted by whodeySo belief in God demands a leap of faith. Yeah, I guess the procedure for adopting unjustified belief can be bossy that way.
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Next question
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God requires faith according to scripture. In fact, there are two possibilities. Either God does not exist or he requires faith. Why?
Have you ever considered the possibility that the Bible stears clear of trying to prove itself because of this fact. It is certainly not a scientific text. I ...[text shortened]... e? After all, faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.
Originally posted by LemonJelloI think you can distinguish between blind faith and faith based on something of substance. As I have shown the Bible has historical accuracy. These stories and teachings do not seem to be pulled out of thin air. Take for example the story of Noah's ark. When you first read it you may think it to be pure fantasy. However, there are other references to a great flood by other ancient civilizations that corraborate the evidence of a major flood in ancient times. I will provide a web site (not Christian in origin) to prove this to you if you like. As I have shown many other archeiological digs have also helped corraborate stories in the Bible.
So belief in God demands a leap of faith. Yeah, I guess the procedure for adopting unjustified belief can be bossy that way.
FYI, belief in elves and unicorns requires faith, too.
Originally posted by whodeyYes, please provide a link that demonstrates this evidence for 'The Flood'.
I think you can distinguish between blind faith and faith based on something of substance. As I have shown the Bible has historical accuracy. These stories and teachings do not seem to be pulled out of thin air. Take for example the story of Noah's ark. When you first read it you may think it to be pure fantasy. However, there are other references to a g ...[text shortened]... eligions try to lay claim as having its origins based in the Bible. Why if it is such rubbish?
Originally posted by LemonJelloThe fact of the matter is that the Bible posits a bunch of supernatural claims that are completely arbitrary.
Yes, please provide a link that demonstrates this evidence for 'The Flood'.
I'm not interested if some of the teachings of the bible 'ring true'. Fictional stories can have morals that 'ring true'. They can also make you feel warm and cozy inside.
The fact of the matter is that the Bible posits a bunch of supernatural claims that are completely ar ...[text shortened]... al matters have a place in any rational noetic structure? I don't think they do.
Originally posted by Halitose'Completely' here is basically redundant.
[b]The fact of the matter is that the Bible posits a bunch of supernatural claims that are completely arbitrary.
Really? What exactly do you mean by "completely"? Could you give an example?[/b]
Originally posted by LemonJelloReadings on a Geiger counter can also be considered compatible with the existence of Beta particles.
'Completely' here is basically redundant.
Example: it posits the existence of a supernatural being with a particular set of attributes -- God. There is no evidence for His existence. There is merely a bunch of stuff that may well be considered compatible with His existence.
I would say that there is ample evidence against His exist ...[text shortened]... le really means to claim that He is omnibenevolent (I mean, just peruse the OT, for example).
Originally posted by HalitoseBut the 'impact' or 'effects' that you claim are evidence for God are nothing of the sort. They are merely compatible with the claim that such a God exists. But it may just as well be those magical green elves; or purely natural phenomena.
Readings on a Geiger counter can also be considered compatible with the existence of Beta particles.
Or am I misunderstanding your evidently material criteria for the measurement of existence? As my above example illustrates, existence can also be measured by means of impact or effect, rather than embodiment.
Originally posted by LemonJelloHere is the web site from the McClung museum
Yes, please provide a link that demonstrates this evidence for 'The Flood'.
I'm not interested if some of the teachings of the bible 'ring true'. Fictional stories can have morals that 'ring true'. They can also make you feel warm and cozy inside.
The fact of the matter is that the Bible posits a bunch of supernatural claims that are completely ar ...[text shortened]... al matters have a place in any rational noetic structure? I don't think they do.
Originally posted by whodeyOK, thanks. I'll check out your site.
Here is the web site from the McClung museum
http://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/specex/ur/ur-flood.htm
It talks about the story of a devistating flood in a number of Mesopotamian compositions that include the Sumerian kings list.
If you ask me if this proves that there was a great flood in ancient times or that the Biblical account is the true account I wo ...[text shortened]... do not believe that there ever was a flood also takes beleif. How can you prove there was not?
Originally posted by LemonJelloEvidence that there was no flood? Such as?
OK, thanks. I'll check out your site.
[b]To say that you do not believe that there ever was a flood also takes beleif. How can you prove there was not?
I lack belief in the Flood because there is insufficient evidence to warrant such belief.* If you want to say that this position defaults me to the position that I believe that no flood occurr ...[text shortened]... ence against the Flood account -- certainly enough to warrant belief in that direction.[/b]