Somebody help me...

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
but you are willing to assign certain values to them, non authoritative by way of example, what other values are you willing to assign to them?

They are just my opinions. How they influence people I cannot say, although I can see my influence on my children where I do represent "authority" and provide "examples" in countless ways.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No slobbery drool is a generic description, it can be utilised anywhere.

Perhaps some people find it funny but I think it belongs on the Clans Forum. It's up to you of course.

Originally posted by FMF
Perhaps some people find it funny but I think it belongs on the Clans Forum. It's up to you of course.

yes it is, far from you to render an authoritative thought! heaven forbid that should happen.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it is, far from you to render an authoritative thought! heaven forbid that should happen.

I do not claim to be a spiritual authority.

Originally posted by FMF
I do not claim to be a spiritual authority.

is not, I am not a religionist like you with your off the shelf pre packaged religious dogma not a statement of authority or it could just be you pinging your triangle again.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
is not, I am not a religionist like you with your off the shelf pre packaged religious dogma not a statement of authority or it could just be you pinging your triangle again.

No it is not a claim to be a spiritual authority.

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I'm not sure it's hubris. I think he's backed himself into a corner.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It is completely up to you, you asked I answered, you cannot be bothered
to look for the answer and you want me to look it up for you, or write it
again so you can blow that one off too maybe? Since you didn't care
enough to read it the first time I said it, and I may have answered you
twice not sure.

I don't care if you read the answer so, no I'm no ...[text shortened]... to look for it or
write it again. If you want to call that a flaw on my part, go for it.
Kelly

Can you describe a scenario in which a long standing Christian "loses his/her salvation"?

Originally posted by FMF
No it is not a claim to be a spiritual authority.

then its slobbery drool, gotcha!

Originally posted by FMF
KellyJay, you sound like divegeester's question has you completely stumped.

Why would a question answered by me look like I'm completely stumped?
Seriously, when I answered if he did not like the answer, if I was not clear,
if I didn't address the points he wanted, he could have asked questions.
I get, you didn't answer, I did answer, not my fault he doesn't stay on top
of things.
Kelly

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Lets look at this, you asked I answered.
You claim I didn't, and I'm the dishonest one?
Is it possible my answer sucked, it wasn't a good one, very possible I work
12 hour night shifts, sometimes I'm making chess moves, or writing here
when I either A should be sleeping, or B wish I was sleeping. This from time
to time I admit this causes my reading to be a little fuzzy too, my bad I
know, but that is life.

Stop being a lazy look it up, if you don't want to look it up, to bad! I'm not
going to jump through hoops to make someone so full of themselves that
they think they are God's gift to the world on clear and thoughtful thinking
who has already twisted things I said into some very nasty things.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Lets look at this, you asked I answered.
You claim I didn't, and I'm the dishonest one?
Is it possible my answer sucked, it wasn't a good one, very possible I work
12 hour night shifts, sometimes I'm making chess moves, or writing here
when I either A should be sleeping, or B wish I was sleeping. This from time
to time I admit this causes my reading to ...[text shortened]... d thoughtful thinking
who has already twisted things I said into some very nasty things.
Kelly

I'm killing time, so I looked up the exchange, here it is -

DG - Never-mind the reasons, just explicitly state whether or not you think it is possible that a person could be once saved and now not be?

KJ - YES, HELL is in the future for some who walked away from God. That clear enough for you?

DG - Why so angry? It is because you've just realised that this is what happened to FMF and yet you have been arguing for weeks that he couldn't have been saved in the first place because he had walked away 20 years later?

KJ - Not angry, I'm trying to answer your question in a way you'd grasp. Since
the first time I said they could you missed it.

DG - Therefore, as you are a proponent of the doctrine that a Christian can lose their salvation, why won't you accept that FMFs stance (that he is no longer a Christian), can mean that he in fact once was a Christian, and now no longer is? I.e. He has lost his salvation.

KJ - Listen, I've done pages with him on the point that bothers me about his
story. It didn't have anything to do with that doctrine, it had everything to do with how he describes it. Had he said, I knew the Lord but walked away, okay, I agree change of heart. Had he said, I walked as a Christian for years, but realized it was false than that would be okay, he would realize he didn't have anything real, I could understand that. It basically denies he ever really knew the Lord, but admits it. He wants it both ways, he knew the Lord, and Lord isn't real. So what did he lose there? He made claims he now says are not true! I'm not going to do this with you after spending pages with him! I think he is in the only place where he has a shot of actually coming to the Lord, if his
blinded heart ever gets a taste of the real thing.

Then we go into repeat mode.

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Hell is in the future for them didn't give you a clue?
Kelly