Somebody help me...

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Kelly position seems to amount to nothing more than the 'No True Scotsman' argument, ie FMF wasn't a 'Real Christian'.

what if he wasn't really a Christian though, what if he was merely masquerading as a Christian for those 28 years, after all, Paul makes mention of 'false brothers', and Christ of 'wolves in sheeps clothing'. Are you saying that there is no such thing as a false Christian?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Are you saying that there is no such thing as a false Christian?

Any Christian here could level this accusation at any other Christian if they wanted to seeing as no one can 'prove' anything in this regard. In fact, I think a fair bit of forum traffic comprises Christians telling each other they are wrong, nominal, false, plastic, not-True Christians and so on.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what if he wasn't really a Christian though, what if he was merely masquerading as a Christian for those 28 years, after all, Paul makes mention of 'false brothers', and Christ of 'wolves in sheeps clothing'. Are you saying that there is no such thing as a false Christian?

How am I supposed to know what someone whom I've never met was doing, thinking or believing 28 years ago? Call me naive, but I try to take people at their word, unless I have reason not to. In FMF's case, I have no reason to doubt him.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How am I supposed to know what someone whom I've never met was doing, thinking or believing 28 years ago? Call me naive, but I try to take people at their word, unless I have reason not to. In FMF's case, I have no reason to doubt him.

but you cannot say for sure and he might have been masquerading as a Christian? and Kelly might be correct? (man i cannot believe I am defending Kelly J)

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[...] I try to take people at their word, unless I have reason not to. In FMF's case, I have no reason to doubt him.

But then, you are not a Christian beating your hairy holier-than-though Christian chest, even to the point of tripping over your own ideology, are you? 😀

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
but you cannot say for sure and he might have been masquerading as a Christian? and Kelly might be correct? (man i cannot believe I am defending Kelly J)

Someone could come along and claim KellyJay is "masquerading as a Christian" [not that I am claiming that] and you could not "say for sure" that he wasn't. Someone could even cite his peculiar use of the No True Scotsman argument as a sign that he is trying to cover up his 'masquerade'. It's not my view, but if someone made that argument how would it be any more or less valid than your defence of KellyJay?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
but you cannot say for sure and he might have been masquerading as a Christian? and Kelly might be correct? (man i cannot believe I am defending Kelly J)

How do I know you're a JW? How do you know I'm an atheist? If Kelly thinks FMF was not a Real Christian (my term), then it's up to Kelly to prove it.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How do I know you're a JW? How do you know I'm an atheist? If Kelly thinks FMF was not a Real Christian (my term), then it's up to Kelly to prove it.

but its a possibility that FMF was simply masquerading as a Christian.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
but its a possibility that FMF was simply masquerading as a Christian.

Anything is possible.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Anything is possible.

Yes, it's altogether possible that "its a possibility that FMF was simply masquerading as a Christian" is a statement brandished in order to avoid discussing the theological point seriously.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, it's altogether possible that "its a possibility that FMF was simply masquerading as a Christian" is a statement brandished in order to avoid discussing the theological point seriously.

Of course, it's more just deflection.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Of course, it's more just deflection.

...and a trademark mean-spirited side-swipe that robbie likes to think of as him being "amiable". 😉

Originally posted by KellyJay
I've never said it was impossible to lose one's salvation I don't believe
that is scriptural. There are so many warnings about it in scripture it is
not funny!

When did you come to this realization, if you dont mind me asking? Some years ago you were among the supporters of OSAS ie a 'born again' Christian cannot lose his salvation.