10 Feb 06
It doesn't make sense to me.
Here is what I think I know about evolution:
The universe always has and always will evolve. It started with some molecules that randomly started evolving because conditions were perfect. The prook for this is in the small difference we see in life(dog breeds, birds getting longer beaks to reach bugs, giraffs getting longer legs etc.)
Obviously I dont know much. But i do have one question. Assuming that life did start from that DNA, matter, molecules, watever "it" was....where did "it" come from?
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by c guy1I'll give it a go, but not now. Later, tonight.
It doesn't make sense to me.
Here is what I think I know about evolution:
The universe always has and always will evolve. It started with some molecules that randomly started evolving because conditions were perfect. The prook for this is in the small difference we see in life(dog breeds, birds getting longer beaks to reach bugs, giraffs getting longe ...[text shortened]... e did start from that DNA, matter, molecules, watever "it" was....where did "it" come from?
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by c guy1Here's what I don't understand!
It doesn't make sense to me.
Here is what I think I know about evolution:
The universe always has and always will evolve. It started with some molecules that randomly started evolving because conditions were perfect. The prook for this is in the small difference we see in life(dog breeds, birds getting longer beaks to reach bugs, giraffs getting longe ...[text shortened]... e did start from that DNA, matter, molecules, watever "it" was....where did "it" come from?
Why the heck are bothering to ask possibly THE most complicated astrophysic question in a Spirituality Forum when you've got the information super-highway at you fingertips?!
Sod off to Google and look up theories on the origins of the universe, then spend the next few hours reading them. That way we can all avoid the mass posting of the usual zealous Darwin vs. God drivel.
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by Daemon Sinbecause this is what the Spirituality Forum is about. Evolution requires just as much faith as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religion. I could read this, but then why woulnd't learn what it ment to individual who believes. Things learned through personal experiences often carry more weight
Here's what I don't understand!
Why the heck are bothering to ask possibly THE most complicated astrophysic question in a Spirituality Forum when you've got the information super-highway at you fingertips?!
Sod off to Google and look up theories on the origins of the universe, then spend the next few hours reading them. That way we can all avoid the mass posting of the usual zealous Darwin vs. God drivel.
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by c guy1Unless you really are just looking for an argument in which case you have no intention of understanding why 99.99% of all the people who have devoted their lives to the study of biology accept the fact that evolution has happened and continues to happen, nor why nearly the same fraction agree that the Theory of Evolution best fits observation and has been used countless times to guide research which has led to many fruitful discoveries.
because this is what the Spirituality Forum is about. Evolution requires just as much faith as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religion. I could read this, but then why woulnd't learn what it ment to individual who believes. Things learned through personal experiences often carry more weight
We've all heard the same rhetoric from too many others c guy to take your statements at face value. I can only encourage you to seek out knowledge on the subject from either a school teacher or a college professor. If you go in just looking to fight, armed with the latest silver bullet from your youth pastor or similar uneducated apologist, you'll just look like a fool; but if you honestly want to understand what it is you are blindly attacking with empty rhetoric, then such an encounter could be a very enlightening moment. Just remember evolution and faith in Jesus Christ are not mutually exclusive. While I'm not a believer, I know that from the Christian worldview, Jesus gave you a brain. Why would he not want you to use it?
With that, I'll leave it to the resident bio? chem? professor to give you a short correspondence course.
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by c guy1evolution has a different meaning to myself as i don't believe in it.
It doesn't make sense to me.
Here is what I think I know about evolution:
The universe always has and always will evolve. It started with some molecules that randomly started evolving because conditions were perfect. The prook for this is in the small difference we see in life(dog breeds, birds getting longer beaks to reach bugs, giraffs getting longe ...[text shortened]... e did start from that DNA, matter, molecules, watever "it" was....where did "it" come from?
life however takes a known form of evolution which is changes in laws,systems,beliefs etc and as the point of birth takes place opportunities arise.money,power and fame are there for the taking.it often makes me wonder if people in positions of power purposly bring about change to be first in for a cake which appears.a magic cake which is always eaten till it loses it's magic.
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by telerion99.99%
Unless you really are just looking for an argument in which case you have no intention of understanding why 99.99% of all the people who have devoted their lives to the study of biology accept the fact that evolution has happened and continues to happen, nor why nearly the same fraction agree that the Theory of Evolution best fits observation and has been u ...[text shortened]... 'll leave it to the resident bio? chem? professor to give you a short correspondence course.
Proof?
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by c guy1Okay,
It doesn't make sense to me.
Here is what I think I know about evolution:
The universe always has and always will evolve. It started with some molecules that randomly started evolving because conditions were perfect. The prook for this is in the small difference we see in life(dog breeds, birds getting longer beaks to reach bugs, giraffs getting longe ...[text shortened]... e did start from that DNA, matter, molecules, watever "it" was....where did "it" come from?
Evolution, as I try to give a concise definition of it right now, is pretty hard to encapsulate in an easy sound-bite! Basically, evolution is the process by which new species come about, or the organisms within a species develop new characteristics based upon random mutation, but non-random (but not non-stochastic) death and reproductive success.
Basically, the entire theorum can be simplified into the statement that 'the organisms best suited to an environment will both survive longer than organisms poorly suited to their environment, and have higher reproductive success'.
The second clause is that random genetic mutation may lead (occassionally, in the complex organisms that currently inhabit the planet, but more frequently in the past when organisms were genetically, physiologically, biochemically and ecologically simpler) to organisms being either (a) worse, (b) better, or (c) having no effect on the organisms fecundity.
In order for different species to evolve from a common precursor, two main things are required. The first, is some type of isolation between two populations, such as geographical isolation. This prevents gene transfer between the two populations and, given enough time, will lead to the two populations to become so genetically different that they are no longer able to inter-breed (and produce viable offspring). The second thing (more of a help than an absolute necessity) is a heterogenous environment. This promotes competition between organisms within a species, and only the 'fittest' survive.
That should be enough to get the debate started. I'll get onto abiogenesis next time.
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzTo make your explanation more robust you could explain the difference between beneficial and harful mutations.
Okay,
Evolution, as I try to give a concise definition of it right now, is pretty hard to encapsulate in an easy sound-bite! Basically, evolution is the process by which new species come about, or the organisms within a species develop new characteristics based upon random mutation, but non-random (but not non-stochastic) death and reproductive succ ...[text shortened]... .
That should be enough to get the debate started. I'll get onto abiogenesis next time.
10 Feb 06
Originally posted by HalitoseOkay, a beneficial mutation is one which increases the organisms evolutionary fitness (i.e. reproductive fecundity): a harmful mutation is one that decreases its evolutionary fitness.
To make your explanation more robust you could explain the difference between beneficial and harful mutations.