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Originally posted by checkbaiterOK, we have established that the Bible is such that even the simple minded can understand it, AND that blindfaith101 misunderstands it.
[b]Is the Bible written so that even the simple minded can understand it?
Yes
Does blindfaith101 misunderstand it, regarding the matter of speaking in tongues?
I think so.
Is blindfaith101 at least simple minded, if not reasonably intelligent?
It's not my place to say either way...I don't know enough about him. And even if I did, I would not answer a question like that.[/b]
Doesn't this imply that blindfaith101 isn't even simple minded? Don't your first two answers entail the answer to the third question?
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesWhat is the point of this?
OK, we have established that the Bible is such that even the simple minded can understand it, AND that blindfaith101 misunderstands it.
Doesn't this imply that blindfaith101 isn't even simple minded? Don't your first two answers entail the answer to the third question?
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Originally posted by checkbaiterTo show that your position is incoherent. It is logically impossible to believe that the Bible is written so that even the simple minded can understand it, yet not believe that a person who cannot understand it is less than simple minded.
What is the point of this?
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesOh. I see. So you think a person who does not understand is less than simple minded?
To show that your position is incoherent. It is logically impossible to believe that the Bible is written so that even the simple minded can understand it, yet not believe that a person who cannot understand it is less than simple minded.
01 Nov 05
Originally posted by checkbaiterNo, because I don't adhere to the premise that the Bible is written so that even the simple minded can understand it. You do, however, adhere to that premise, so you must, by virtue of holding that premise, believe that a person who doesn't understand the Bible is less than simple minded. That's an entailment of the premise in question.
Oh. I see. So you think a person who does not understand is less than simple minded?
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesNo, not less than simple minded. Something different. People who do not understand the bible are "blocked" from understanding it. Why? I don't know. But here are a couple of reasons.
No, because I don't adhere to the premise that the Bible is written so that even the simple minded can understand it. You do, however, adhere to that premise, so you must, by virtue of holding that premise, believe that a person who doesn't understand the Bible is less than simple minded. That's an entailment of the premise in question.
1. Motives,. 2. Pride,
Sometimes they are blocked by the god of this world. The people who understand, or come to believe, at least all the ones I know, at some point humbled themselves to God and repented. The simple things. But most can't do that because of pride, independance, unwilling to submit.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterThen your position shifts to saying that, instead of blindfaith101 being simple minded, he is blocked from understanding.
No, not less than simple minded. Something different. People who do not understand the bible are "blocked" from understanding it. Why? I don't know. But here are a couple of reasons.
1. Motives,. 2. Pride,
Sometimes they are blocked by the god of this world. The people who understand, or come to believe, at least all the ones I know, at some point h ...[text shortened]... The simple things. But most can't do that because of pride, independance, unwilling to submit.
He doesn't seem like the sort that has too much pride or unwillingness, and certainly not independence of thought, to humble himself before God. How do you suppose he has been blocked?
01 Nov 05
Originally posted by checkbaiter3. Rationality.
No, not less than simple minded. Something different. People who do not understand the bible are "blocked" from understanding it. Why? I don't know. But here are a couple of reasons.
1. Motives,. 2. Pride,
Sometimes they are blocked by the god of this world. The people who understand, or come to believe, at least all the ones I know, at some point h ...[text shortened]... The simple things. But most can't do that because of pride, independance, unwilling to submit.
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI wasn't talking about BF101.
Then your position shifts to saying that, instead of blindfaith101 being simple minded, he is blocked from understanding.
He doesn't seem like the sort that has too much pride or unwillingness, and certainly not independence of thought, to humble himself before God. How do you suppose he has been blocked?
01 Nov 05
Originally posted by checkbaiterOn the other hand some people reject the bible because its a pile of pants.
No, not less than simple minded. Something different. People who do not understand the bible are "blocked" from understanding it. Why? I don't know. But here are a couple of reasons.
1. Motives,. 2. Pride,
Sometimes they are blocked by the god of this world. The people who understand, or come to believe, at least all the ones I know, at some point h ...[text shortened]... The simple things. But most can't do that because of pride, independance, unwilling to submit.
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02 Nov 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI was generally speaking of an unbeliever. BF101 was taught something else. You are talking apples and I oranges.
Then your position shifts to saying that, instead of blindfaith101 being simple minded, he is blocked from understanding.
He doesn't seem like the sort that has too much pride or unwillingness, and certainly not independence of thought, to humble himself before God. How do you suppose he has been blocked?
The simple can receive the bible. Period. Jesus said that to come to Him we must become like little children. That sounds simple to me. What he(BF101) see's differently is SIT. It's purpose, etc. It has nothing to do with being simple. It has everything to do with interpretation of scripture. That is why there are so many denominations. Some believe in eternal torment, I do not. Some believe the dead go immediately to heaven/hell...I do not.
Pentecostals SIT, I believe, out of order. Why so many denominations? Probably interpretation of scripture.
02 Nov 05
Originally posted by checkbaiterBF101 candidly answered questiuons on the nature of tonging, perhaps you'd like to explain (in simple terms) the degree of free will a toguer would have should they wish to control their behaviour.
I was generally speaking of an unbeliever. BF101 was taught something else. You are talking apples and I oranges.
The simple can receive the bible. Period. Jesus said that to come to Him we must become like little children. That sounds simple to me. What he(BF101) see's differently is SIT. It's purpose, etc. It has nothing to do with being simple. It ...[text shortened]... s SIT, I believe, out of order. Why so many denominations? Probably interpretation of scripture.
