Originally posted by josephwThanks for the straight forward answer. 😉
I buy grass fed beef from a farmer. I also get my milk raw from an organic dairy. We buy our vegetables from the Amish and other organic growers. We have a garden of our own as well. We used to can a lot of food, but have gone over to freezing for freshness and nutritional quality.
I really don't "feel" so strongly about this topic since it comes naturall ...[text shortened]... ok and devotes a lot of time in food preparation since most of what we eat is made from scratch.
Originally posted by wolfgang59"As I have said before the way we treat our animals, our sick, our
Ate foie gras at a dinner party once (so as not to be rude) but regretted it since.
It is a disgusting practice.
I was fishetarian for over 10 years but lapsed.
We buy free-range eggs, chicken and pork.
it's more expensive per kilo but we buy smaller cuts for the same
maoney. Probably healthier for our bodes as well as our souls!
As I have said ...[text shortened]... we treat our animals, our sick, our
children and our convicts is what defines us as a society.
children and our convicts is what defines us as a society."
Then you have to agree we live in the greatest society man has ever known!
And by the way, how on earth did you segue from your opening statements to the one above? 🙄
Originally posted by FMFI really didn't think I was beating around the bush, and contrary to your perceptions of me I don't squirm, wriggle or lash out whether I am at odds with other Christian's theology or not. I choose not to engage with other Christians when I disagree with them in this public forum.
Yes. I know why you squirm and wriggle and lash out when the topic is one that might put you at theological odds with other Christians, but I don't really know why the beat round the bush a bit on this topic. 😉
My focus is primarily with the lost. Believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved. That is something all Christians will agree with. Of course there's always the exception, that is, someone who calls himself a Christian, but in his heart he knows not God.
Hittin' the sack FMF.
Originally posted by josephw"Salvation" and "damnation" and the supposed fate of non-believers are fundamental parts of Christian theology, but when it comes to the notion of "eternal torture", you are unable to state clearly what you believe. I perceive it to be a 'courage deficit' on your part, or maybe I am wrong.
I really didn't think I was beating around the bush, and contrary to your perceptions of me I don't squirm, wriggle or lash out whether I am at odds with other Christian's theology or not. I choose not to engage with other Christians when I disagree with them in this public forum.
You say: 'I choose not to engage with other Christians when I disagree with them in this public forum"... are you absolutely sure you're telling the truth here? It's a peculiar claim for you to make about yourself.
Originally posted by FMF""Salvation" and "damnation" and the supposed fate of non-believers are fundamental parts of Christian theology,.."
[b]"Salvation" and "damnation" and the supposed fate of non-believers are fundamental parts of Christian theology, but when it comes to the notion of "eternal torture", you are unable to state clearly what you believe. I perceive it to be a 'courage deficit' on your part, or maybe I am wrong.
You say: 'I choose not to engage with other Christians when I disagre ...[text shortened]... utely sure you're telling the truth here? It's a peculiar claim for you to make about yourself.[/bb]
That's right! Whatever is taught by the Word of God is fundamental to the faith, but not all supposed "Christian theology" is. Misinterpretation is fundamental to theology.
"...but when it comes to the notion of "eternal torture", you are unable to state clearly what you believe."
Not unable, just unwilling. Reason is because of the way you pose the question. "Torture" is not a term used in the Bible to define the condition of those who suffer the consequences of separation from God for ever and ever. I can't find a single reference that suggests that "torture" is associated with separation from God. So you see, I will not address the question as long as it is posed in such a way. Is that "clearly stated" enough for you?
"I perceive it to be a 'courage deficit' on your part, or maybe I am wrong."
Surely you don't really think I am afraid to say what I believe do you?
"You say: 'I choose not to engage with other Christians when I disagree with them in this public forum"... are you absolutely sure you're telling the truth here? It's a peculiar claim for you to make about yourself."
On occasion I have addressed something or another that was posted by a Christian in this forum, but by and large I refrain from becoming embroiled in a debate over points of doctrine with believers except under certain circumstances. Those circumstances don't exist in a public forum.
Oddly enough though those circumstance do exist in this public forum as it applies to unbelievers.
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Originally posted by josephwSo It WAS "I choose not to engage with other Christians when I disagree with them..." but NOW it's you do sometimes engage with other Christians when you disagree with them, yes? And this happens, you say, "under certain circumstances"... but such circumstances "don't exist" here, yes? One wonders why you are being so equivocal.
On occasion I have addressed something or another that was posted by a Christian in this forum, but by and large I refrain from becoming embroiled in a debate over points of doctrine with believers except under certain circumstances. Those circumstances don't exist in a public forum.
Originally posted by josephwDo you agree with the notion of the afterlife and fate of unbelievers who are not "saved" that sonship depicts and propagates, or are you more inclined towards the interpretation that posters like Checkbaiter and Suzianne put forward?
Not unable, just unwilling. Reason is because of the way you pose the question. "Torture" is not a term used in the Bible to define the condition of those who suffer the consequences of separation from God for ever and ever. I can't find a single reference that suggests that "torture" is associated with separation from God. So you see, I will not address the question as long as it is posed in such a way. Is that "clearly stated" enough for you?