31 Jan 11
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Originally posted by souvereinI disagree; though this disagreement should not be taken as to mean that spirituality IS religion, more that spirituality is an umbrella term which includes religion - and also includes a myriad of other ideas, perhaps based upon the supernatural, and perhaps not.
Spirituality has nothing to do with religion.
Agree or disagree?
What it includes in it's entirety I don't know...just like "art" includes painting, "unmade beds", music, etc... "spirituality" is also just as nebulous.
no prizes for guessing which things in "spirituality" I think satisfy the "unmade bed" metaphor :]
31 Jan 11
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Originally posted by souvereinSaying religion has nothing to do with spirituality would be like saying..... soil has nothing to do with the earth......just saying.
Spirituality has nothing to do with religion.
Agree or disagree?
The particle within your body that animates the body to life, and is conscious and aware is the spirit....hence spirituality.
God is the source of spirit being the Supreme Spirit.
Religion is about the nature of God and the spirit within, and the eternal relationship they have.
And of course when I say religion, I do not mean substitute religion, but true religion.
31 Jan 11
Originally posted by souvereindepends on your definition of religion. if religion is the money and power hungry institution that spawned the inquisition, crusades and popes or the one that condoned the holocaust or the cover up of catholic pedophile priests or the concept used by terrorists as a motive, then yes, there is nothing spiritual about that kind of religion.
Spirituality has nothing to do with religion.
Agree or disagree?
i view religion as it should be. not as it was perverted. the negative aspects of "religion" ar the abnormalities one should purge.
31 Jan 11
Originally posted by RBHILLI second the agreement; in that one can be spiritual in philosophy, much more than pre-set, ordained, indoctrinated religion.
I agree.
Where does religion come from apart from indoctrination?
As a child, going to a book shop, would you choose 'BATMAN & ROBIN', 'SUPERMAN', 'ROY OF THE ROVERS', 'BARBIE MAGAZINE' -
or The Bible????????????
Who's choice was it for all of you commenting here, as a child?
-m.
31 Jan 11
Originally posted by AgergReligions claims to know do's and dont's that are attributed to an higher power. It believes in rewards and punishments during or after life. They develop powerful institutes.
I disagree; though this disagreement should not be taken as to mean that spirituality IS religion, more that spirituality is an umbrella term which includes religion - and also includes a myriad of other ideas, perhaps based upon the supernatural, and perhaps not.
What it includes in it's entirety I don't know...just like "art" includes painting, "unmade be ...[text shortened]... which things in "spirituality" I think satisfy the "unmade bed" metaphor :][/hidden]
Spirituality is an individual exploration to the essence of our existence. It is amoral and not organized.
An atheist can be spiritual, but not religious.
31 Jan 11
Originally posted by jaywillYou are not the only one. I think many religious tenets don't make sense anymore at present. I'm actually rather surprised about the slowness of this process.
For the most part, understanding what I think you mean:
Agree. I am still trying to get out of religion.
31 Jan 11
Originally posted by souvereinThe definitions people used are all muddled up. Like some things are spiritual and some things aren't.
Spirituality has nothing to do with religion.
Agree or disagree?
Or some experiences are religous and some aren't.
So maybe I'll just go with the wiki definitions, but I suspect there is more to both words
In a way Fabian is right, in another way he is not.
31 Jan 11
Originally posted by divegeesterYou gotta look at these things relatively-sitting on a bean bag smoking pot is not in the same league as becoming or wanting to become a soldier,which is less and less prevalant as the new millenium kicks in.
Depends on the definition/description of religion. To me religion (in my definition) is an abhorant abomination, it disgusts me.
However, spirituality without the framework of truth provides the human condition with nothing more than lazing on bean-bags and smoking pot.
And "soldier" just means murderer in my book.
01 Feb 11
Originally posted by divegeesterReligion doesn't disgust me. I think it has had valuable sides when we study her history. I hope there will come a time we dare to live without it.
Depends on the definition/description of religion. To me religion (in my definition) is an abhorant abomination, it disgusts me.
However, spirituality without the framework of truth provides the human condition with nothing more than lazing on bean-bags and smoking pot.
I wonder what you mean with 'without the framework of truth'. What framework are you thinking of? Not a religious one I suppose. 😉