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What you refer to as a search engine I refer to as an education.
For example, it was education (not a search engine) that provided clarity on the Trinity 'not' being a biblical concept entertained by the apostles or early church.
No engine but education. Okay.
Now, the Son is or is not eternal, according to your NT education ?
Do you think Dive's Statement stands up to the NT teaching ?
The purpose of the office of the son is not eternal, there is no “eternal son” mentioned in the Bible.
I don't think it stands up for many reasons already given.
Here's a statement of faith about God I would rather embrace, from "Contending For the Faith" - https://contendingforthefaith.org/en/responses/ [my bolding]
God
What the Bible mainly reveals to us is our wonderful God. This God is uniquely one (Deut. 6:4; 1 Cor. 8:4b; Isa. 45:5a) yet triune— the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, who coexist simultaneously, from eternity to eternity, and are each fully God. Yet there are not three Gods, but one God in three persons. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not three temporal manifestations of the one God; rather, They exist eternally, distinct but not separate from one another (Matt. 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14; Eph. 2:18; 3:14-17; Rev. 1:4-5; see also the discussion of coinherence in “On the Nature of God” below). How God can be both one and three is a mystery, but the mystery is not beyond our ability to believe and to enjoy as the apostle Paul encourages us: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all” (2 Cor. 13:14).
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-Removed-Me:
Where's the Son of God HANDS OVER all things to the Father's office in the Bible ?
Divegeester:
I never said that he did.
These are your words - [my bolding]
The office of the son shall hand over all things to the office of the Father, as it says in scripture.
Backing away from this part of your Statement of belief ?
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I think you are trapped in a cult sonship.
I think that is a big ole RED HERRING argument to distract from the fact that you cannot find the office of the Son HANDS OVER all things to the office of the Father.
I think even if I was in a cult it wouldn't make your error correct.
A cultish church group which idolises two of its founders and which frowns upon dissent.
I think that is a RED HERRING of distraction designed to turn attention AWAY from the error of your Statement of belief as far as the NT teaching.
I think your posting in this forum is monitored and all this waffle you are posting is vain attempt to please your overlords.
And I think you are grasping for Red Herring arguments as a distraction from an unbiblical statement of your invention put forth as Christian teaching.
You could just admit that it is NOT Christian teaching you espouse on that point.
Two atheists have valiantly come to help you though.
You gender a lot of sympathy from atheists here.
I wonder why.
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Divegeester,
I think you are trapped in a cult sonship.
Let's say I am TRAPPED, HELD captive in the deep dungeons of a cult!
Um, how does that make the concept that the Son of God is not eternal and HANDS OVER all things to the office of the Father IN in the New Testament, when you apparently cannot find it ?
How does my being trapped in a cult make your belief biblical ?
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Divegeester,
Why not just change your "Statement of belief" to say "Statement of Unbelief" ?
I think it would be a better description of how you feel about the Son of God.
Quick!, more on me being "trapped" in a cult stuff and founder idolization stuff. Play that up more to get people's minds OFF of your Unbelief.
From a booklet What a Heresy—Two Divine Fathers, Two Life-Giving Spirits, and Three Gods! by Witness Lee.
Refer https://contendingforthefaith.org/en/what-a-heresy-2-divine-fathers-2-life-giving-spirits-3-gods/
The Heresy of Modalism
The orthodox creed formulated at the Council of Nicaea was a repudiation of modalism, exemplified by Sabellius, and tritheism, represented by Arius. Sabellius did not believe in the simultaneous existence of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. To him, They were merely three manifestations of the oneGod who manifests Himself in different ways according to circumstances. Arius, on the contrary, believed in three Gods. According to him, the Father was one God, the Son was another God, and the Holy Spirit was still another God. This, of course, is heresy. Although the heresy of Arius was condemned at the Nicene Council, many Christians, probably including some of our critics, today subconscious still hold to three Gods. In the past, many of you, deep within, secretly held to this belief.
Modalism has some ground in the Scriptures, but it has gone much too far, to a heretical extreme. The modalists saw the aspect of the one, but they misused the side of the three, saying that after the revelation of the Father and the Son had ceased only the Spirit remained. They deny the co-existence and co-inherence among the Three of the Godhead in eternity. While they deny this, we believe it. Modalism neglects the safeguard of the twofoldness of the truths in the Bible. Every truth in the Bible has two aspects. If you would be safe, you must be balanced between these two aspects. According to God’s regulation, principle, and law, nothing in the universe can exist without being two-sided. This is even true of a sheet of paper. Because the modalists held to one side and misapplied the other, they lost their balance and safeguard.
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@divegeester
Shrinking back into troll mode as expected.
What's a matter? Your two atheist helpers couldn't get you out of trouble?
Attention:
Calling more atheists to help Divegeester with his Statement of unbelief.
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There is no such place as a literal hell. Hell was done away with by Jesus when he secured the “keys” during and after his death. The depictions of hell in the Bible are metaphors for what life without the salvation of Jesus would be like, I.e. no mercy, no atonement, no redemption. Hell is what it would be without these things.
If you weren't so ignorant, going over all these points would not sound like a hairdryer to you.
You are not even talking about Hell in the Bible. You are talking about Hell in vernacular speech.
Hell is cast into the lake of fire at the end of the millennium according to Revelation 20. . The end of the millennium has not come yet so Hell still exists.
In fact strictly speakling Hell is just Hades the realm of the dead. So strictly speaking ALL who die saved or not go to Hell or Hades. But you are not talking about Hell in Scripture but Hell in the vernacular usage as the place of punishment.
Jesus to have the keys of death and of Hades (Hell) is after His resurrection and when He appeared to John in Revelation 1 That was before John even wrote the book of the Gospel of John. So Hell was in existence when John wrote the Gospel.
If it did not exist there would be no need for Christ to have the KEYS to a place that does not exist. Death and Hell or Hades are completely abolished at the last judgment in Revelation 20.
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne. (Rev. 20:12)
This is AFTER the 1,000 years millennial kingdom which has not commenced YET.
And scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by the things which were written in the scrolls, according to their works. (v.20b)
This final judgment has not taken place yet. So Christ today having the keys of death and of Hell (Hades) are keys to a place which STILL IS as we speak.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them;
and they were judged, each ot them, according to their works. (v.13)
This has not happened yet so death and Hell are in existence as we speak STILL, THOUGH Christ has the KEYS of death and of Hades. (Rev. 1:18) since His resurrection.
And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH, THE LAKE OF FIRE. (v.14)
This is the destruction of the last enemy - death according to the prediction of First Corinthians 15:25,26.
For He must reign until God puts all His enemies under His feet.
Death, the last enemy, is being abolished. (v.26,27)
So the conclusion of the abolishing of death and the discarding of Hell occurs after the last judgment. And the unsaved go to the "second death" which is the lake of fire.
And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (v.14)
And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. (v.15)
Now we are in Chapter 21 and the ETERNAL age is viewed. And Christ is the Husband of the holy city, the climax of all of God's salvation - the New Jerusalem.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea is no more.
And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, PREPARED AS A BRIDE FOR HER HUSBAND. (Rev. 21:1,2)
And rather than the Son of God having no "office" as your error teaches, He is seen on the throne of ETERNITY as an enthroned King and Husband-
And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God AND OF THE LAMB... (Rev. 22:1a)
And if you weren't so ignorant, going over all these points would not sound like a hairdryer to you.
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@divegeester
No, I think you're running scared as usual and probably not reading my posts.
Too bad you don't speak for everyone else.