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Originally posted by RJHinds5 thumbs up and 4 thumbs down. I must be making some kind of sense! (I get the thumbs down - probably deserved!!)
You seem very emotional to me and I also missed this truth you claimed to have revealed. Perhaps you could repeat this truth in CAPITAL LETTERS so the rest of us will not have any trouble picking it out.
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Originally posted by KellyJayNo, actually, he isn't. He is calling it child abuse (not 'on par' with it).
He is still calling it on par with child abuse,
He is claiming that when you teach children creationism, that is abuse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse
wrongful practice or custom;
I think he can support his case.
I actually believe that excessive lying to children is wrong. I think convincing them that Santa exists is wrong, I think that telling children that the police will arrest them if they don't eat their greens is wrong, I think that threatening children with hell is wrong. However, most children figure out these lies before adulthood. A significant proportion however do not get over creationism and the negative attitude towards science and education and thinking for oneself that comes with it.
Every creationist on this site, yourself included, demonstrates not only a poor science education, but a negative attitude towards learning science. You for example reject relativity.
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-Removed-No, I do not. But then I am not sure such things can be compared anyway. Is stealing from a shop worse than punching someone in the face? Which is worse, torture or rape?
PS. And his OP does not say 'teach faith'. He is specifically referring to the practice of teaching children young earth creationism and then supporting this by teaching them that the scientific method is wrong.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadit probably is abuse as the children are not given the chance to weigh up the pro's and cons of other political beliefs, making it a form of brainwashing. on the other hand they are not being taught lies or asked to suspend the laws of physics, or to take a leap of faith. so in that regard its not as bad as teaching children creationism.
In North Korea, children are indoctrinated into the particular form of communism they have there. Is this child abuse? Is it better or worse than other forms of child abuse?
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe whole basis of my OP was that it is wrong to tell children deliberate lies. I do not think that indoctrination to any political ideology comes under that umbrella.
In North Korea, children are indoctrinated into the particular form of communism they have there. Is this child abuse? Is it better or worse than other forms of child abuse?
Originally posted by Pianoman1Why not? It is clear that indoctrination into political ideology often involves deliberate lies even in democratic states. It is less clear that indoctrination into creationism involves deliberate lies.
I do not think that indoctrination to any political ideology comes under that umbrella.
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes, I suppose you're right. Indoctrination to any ideology has got to involve at least the bending of the truth. I seem to be spending all my time retracting! Thank you for clearing that up.
Why not? It is clear that indoctrination into political ideology often involves deliberate lies even in democratic states. It is less clear that indoctrination into creationism involves deliberate lies.