@kellyjay saidIt is not about preaching or teaching about God. This thread is about following a basic principle of human decency, often lacking in Christians, but which is identified in the Bible. Why is it that the vast majority of Christians think it is of no importance.
I will say this quoting someone else' work does a couple of things, it gives credit where credit is due and the original author should receive credit, and it shows that the writer is doing their own research to even see the work strengthening the points they make. Even if we don't know who said something we are using it behoves us to acknowledge there is someone out there wi ...[text shortened]... Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
Plagiarism is a combination of lying, stealing and deceiving. Sonship for example still think it is no big deal.
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@kellyjay saidUntil any of us achieve divine status, we should continue to cite our sources for transparency and contextual integrity.
I think it is even more important when dealing with God since God doesn't share credit. If you go back through scripture there were many times God points that out. He even reduces the means by man can do something to show it was only through Him it could be done. Another reason why many things that people say no way could that happen, could only happen if God did it, and did ...[text shortened]... every man to his tent, but retained the 300 men. And the camp of Midian was below him in the valley.
Anyone not able to grasp this (sonship) really shouldn't be posting in a public forum.
@rajk999 saidYou write what you want to write about and I will write what I do.
It is not about preaching or teaching about God. This thread is about following a basic principle of human decency, often lacking in Christians, but which is identified in the Bible. Why is it that the vast majority of Christians think it is of no importance.
Plagiarism is a combination of lying, stealing and deceiving. Sonship for example still think it is no big deal.
Your mouth worship pays a tribute to God, but keeps one's heart from Him by making them rely on their efforts not the righteousness that God provides.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat are you talking about? What is "divine status' as you use those words?
Until any of us achieve divine status, we should continue to cite our sources for transparency and contextual integrity.
Anyone not able to grasp this (sonship) really shouldn't be posting in a public forum.
@kellyjay saidSarcasm sir. None of us are God or above citing our sources.
What are you talking about? What is "divine status' as you use those words?
@ghost-of-a-duke said🙂 thank you for sharing, and I will not ask where you get your information from?
Sarcasm sir. None of us are God or above citing our sources.
@kellyjay saidNo need to ask old chap. I will always cite my sources.
🙂 thank you for sharing, and I will not ask where you get your information from?
@kellyjay saidThat is unbiblical church garbage. You have no idea what mouth worship is. It is the same as lip service and it is the act of praising or worshiping God, calling Lord Lord etc, without doing what God or Christ says to do. Churches that preach a 'Lord Lord' doctrine which will be condemned.
You write what you want to write about and I will write what I do.
Your mouth worship pays a tribute to God, but keeps one's heart from Him by making them rely on their efforts not the righteousness that God provides.
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. (Luke 6:46-48 KJV)
Mouth worshipers call 'Lord Lord' without following the commandments.
True followers of Christ follow the commandments.
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That is unbiblical church garbage. You have no idea what mouth worship is. It is the same as lip service and it is the act of praising or worshiping God, calling Lord Lord etc, without doing what God or Christ says to do. Churches that preach a 'Lord Lord' doctrine which will be condemned.
Where in the Bible does God tell His people or anyone NOT to call "Lord, Lord".
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Where in this sentence does Jesus teach people NOT to call "Lord, Lord" ?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. (Luke 6:46-48 KJV)
Exactly where in this paragraph are the instructions from the Lord Jesus telling anyone NOT to call on Him "Lord, Lord" ?
Mouth worshipers call 'Lord Lord' without following the commandments.
True followers of Christ follow the commandments.
Produce ONE post written by me (sonship) teaching anyone not to follow Christ's commandments.
You have made the accusation so many times you should be able to show us a half dozen CLEAR examples.
This posts makes two main requests:
1.) A clear word from God telling people not to call or say or pray "Lord, Lord" .
2.) An example of me teaching anyone "The Lord Jesus should not be obeyed. And people should not obey the commands of Jesus Christ."
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@sonship saidI quoted Jesus Christ. If you did not, or can not, or refuse to read simple clear English and genuinely cannot understand it then take it up with Christ. One day you will get your chance. Here are Jesus's words again
@Rajk999That is unbiblical church garbage. You have no idea what mouth worship is. It is the same as lip service and it is the act of praising or worshiping God, calling Lord Lord etc, without doing what God or Christ says to do. Churches that preach a 'Lord Lord' doctrine which will be condemned.
Where in the Bible does God tell His people or anyone N ...[text shortened]... yone "The Lord Jesus should not be obeyed. And people should not obey the commands of Jesus Christ."
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
(Luke 6:46-48 KJV)
Jesus did not say not to call Him Lord Lord, and neither did I. Jesus is saying that you are wasting your time calling Him Lord Lord if you refuse to do the more critical thing of following the commandments. Calling Him Lord Lord without doing the commandments makes the follower a hypocrite.
Next question. I dont have to answer where you said not to follow the commandments. You have to show where YOU told people that following the commandments is critical for eternal life and failure to follow the commandment means there is no eternal life as Jesus said. So Show me where you told people how critical following the commandments are I have been doing it for over 14 years on this site. You have NEVER ONCE repeated the words of Christ about the critical importance of obedience to God and following of the commandments. NEVER ONCE.
@rajk999 saidYour mouth worship is get good enough by the works you do. Ignoring the salvation through faith that God has given us. Your mouth worship is all about your efforts by good works, about you, you, you! With your mouth worship acknowledging God, but your heart is far from Him. If you are going to live and please God it must be by faith, because the righteous shall live by faith, instead of your justification by works.
That is unbiblical church garbage. You have no idea what mouth worship is. It is the same as lip service and it is the act of praising or worshiping God, calling Lord Lord etc, without doing what God or Christ says to do. Churches that preach a 'Lord Lord' doctrine which will be condemned.
[i]And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoev ...[text shortened]... l 'Lord Lord' without following the commandments.
True followers of Christ follow the commandments.
Galatians 3:11
Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
@kellyjay saidI have seen no such definition of mouth worship or lip service in the bible, neither in contemporary English usage. By all means if you can produce a reference where your peculiar [rather stupid] definition of mouth worship is explained then kindly produce the references. As usual you are making yourself look pretty stupid.
Your mouth worship is get good enough by the works you do. Ignoring the salvation through faith that God has given us. Your mouth worship is all about your efforts by good works, about you, you, you! With your mouth worship acknowledging God, but your heart is far from Him. If you are going to live and please God it must be by faith, because the righteous shall live by faith ...[text shortened]... is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
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@Rajk999
You have failed to answer my two requests. I knew that you would fail because you are a slandering liar.
Now, let's look at your attempts.
I quoted Jesus Christ. If you did not, or can not, or refuse to read simple clear English and genuinely cannot understand it then take it up with Christ. One day you will get your chance.
You did quote the words of Jesus and ADDED the false dichotomy established only in YOUR imagination. Your false dichotomy is OBEY is verses CALLING is not there.
Here are Jesus's words again
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
The sentence is a QUESTION. WHY do you call Lord, Lord and do not do what He commands.
That is not "DO NOT CALL LORD, LORD."
It is "WHY CALL LORD, LORD AND NOT OBEY ME AS THE LORD?"
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
This part of the passage has NOTHING in it about calling "Lord, Lord".
This part of the passage is about the WISDOM of heeding the teachings of Jesus Christ. To hear and not heed and obey would be foolish.
It does not say "DO NOT CALL LORD, LORD BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE FOOLISH."
(Luke 6:46-48 KJV)
Which you have twisted to teach something that is not there.
The QUESTION IS - "WHY CALL LORD LORD, AND DISOBEY ME, THE LORD?"
It is a good question, a vital one at that. It is not a command not to call on the Lord.
Since you have failed so far to show an example of me over the last twelve years TEACHING anyone to disobey THE LORD, you have NO CASE.
Jesus did not say not to call Him Lord Lord,
THANK YOU !!
That's what has taken a few YEARS here for you to ADMIT.
Better late then never, I guess.
and neither did I.
YOU set up a continuous slanderous accusation that "mouth worshippers" ipso facto of inevitable necessity are those who disobey the Lord.
Every encouragement (AS THE BIBLE ALSO ENCOURAGES) to call on the name of the Lord to CONTACT the Lord is assaulted by you as "mouth worship + disobedience to the commands of Christ."
Jesus is saying that you are wasting your time calling Him Lord Lord if you refuse to do the more critical thing of following the commandments.
That may be so. But He does not say because of that DON'T CALL.
That's YOUR garbage.
Jesus teaches to TREAT HIM as LORD while you CALL ON HIM as LORD.
You have been saying "Everyone who talks about calling is a mouth worshiper and disobedient, destined for the lake of fire"
Don't waste your breath trying to deny that you made these threats to me multiple times.