20 Apr 05
Originally posted by telerionI am thankful...what's your point? I simply pointed out a fact....I sowed my wild oats with unprotected sex in the 80s and consider myself lucky not to have contracted anything worse than a yeast infection...if I were living in Africa, or the US for that matter, and AIDS was as rampant as they are in South Africa, I believe I'd keep my trouser trout locked away only to be "let out" on special occasions (such as with a woman that I knew to be HIV-free)....the Africans, through ignorance or just plain stupidity, or lack of concern, are humping everything that moves or letting themselves be humped....sorry to be blunt, but sometimes the truth hurts...
Then you should be extra thankful you weren't born in Africa!
20 Apr 05
This problem of the spreading of the HIV virus is closely linked to underdevelopment. The only true and permanent solution to the HIV problem is the changing of people's sexual habits. Giving them condoms and telling them that they are protected 100% is a lie and we in the West know this. Condoms do NOT give 100% protection against the HIV virus. We have to tell the people in the third world, and everywehere else for that matter, the bitter truth. They have been deceived too many times by the Western countries. Telling them lies about the supposed 100% protection condoms give is in my view another crime that can be added to the long list of crimes the Western countries have committed against the Third World.
20 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeSpeaking of telling lies, I'm sure that nobody is proposing we tell anybody that condoms give "100% protection" against anything. You are setting up a strawman to argue against. The truth is that condoms give a considerable degree of protection against the transmission of the HIV virus. As far as I know, no medical measures are 100% effective against anything; but we don't say to people don't bother to get vaccinated against polio or other diseases because the vaccination isn't "100% protection".
This problem of the spreading of the HIV virus is closely linked to underdevelopment. The only true and permanent solution to the HIV problem is the changing of people's sexual habits. Giving them condoms and telling them that they are protected 100% is a lie and we in the West know this. Condoms do NOT give 100% protection against the HIV virus. We have ...[text shortened]... dded to the long list of crimes the Western countries have committed against the Third World.
20 Apr 05
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Originally posted by no1marauderWe are giving the impression to people in the third world, also to young people in developed countries such as the US and Europe, that condoms give a 100% protection against the HIV virus.
Speaking of telling lies, I'm sure that nobody is proposing we tell anybody that condoms give "100% protection" against anything. You are setting up a strawman to argue against. The truth is that condoms give a considerabl ...[text shortened]... ther diseases because the vaccination isn't "100% protection".
I wouldn't be surprised if the condom producing companies will be sued in the future by HIV victims for misleading them and the public.
20 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeUsing condoms aint 100% effective in preventing pregnancy either, so why is the church 100% against it , since it still gives God a chance to inject a soul into the fertilized egg., if he so chooses that is.
This problem of the spreading of the HIV virus is closely linked to underdevelopment. The only true and permanent solution to the HIV problem is the changing of people's sexual habits. Giving them condoms and telling them that they are protected 100% is a lie and we in the West know this. Condoms do NOT give 100% protection against the HIV virus. We have ...[text shortened]... dded to the long list of crimes the Western countries have committed against the Third World.
20 Apr 05
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Originally posted by ivanhoeIvanhoe: We are giving the impression to people in the third world, also to young people in developed countries such as the US and Europe, that condoms give a 100% protection against the HIV virus.
We are giving the impression to people in the third world, also to young people in developed countries such as the US and Europe, that condoms give a 100% protection against the HIV virus.
I wouldn't be surprised if the condom produci ...[text shortened]... d in the future by HIV victims for misleading them and the public.
No, "we" are not. The Food and Drug adminstration has a little on-line brochure on the subject at http://www.fda.gov/oashi/aids/condom.html#life.
It wouldn't surprise me if some right-wing, fundamentalist law group found some unfortunates who got AIDS from a condom breaking and sued a condom producer for political reasons either. As condom producers, to my knowledge, have never claimed "100% protection" but merely that condoms reduce the risk of STDs (which the government concedes) such a law suit would be meritless in my view.
20 Apr 05
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Originally posted by no1marauder"Will a condom guarantee I won't get a sexually transmitted disease?
Ivanhoe: We are giving the impression to people in the third world, also to young people in developed countries such as the US and Europe, that condoms give a 100% protection against the HIV virus.
No, "we" are not. The Fo ...[text shortened]... concedes) such a law suit would be meritless in my view.
No. There's no absolute guarantee even when you use a condom. But most experts believe that the risk of getting AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases can be greatly reduced if a condom is used properly.
In other words, sex with condoms isn't totally "safe sex," but it is "less risky" sex."
http://www.fda.gov/oashi/aids/condom.html#guar
Absolutely true ..... now let's hope that all the illiterate people in Africa and elsewhere have computers and can read English.
20 Apr 05
Originally posted by no1marauder
Ivanhoe: We are giving the impression to people in the third world, also to young people in developed countries such as the US and Europe, that condoms give a 100% protection against the HIV virus.
No, "we" are not. The Food and Drug adminstration has a little on-line brochure on the subject at http://www.fda.gov/oashi/aids/condom.html#life ...[text shortened]... of STDs (which the government concedes) such a law suit would be meritless in my view.
Let me ask you No1, what is meant when people, the experts, talk about "safe sex" ?
20 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoePlease show some proof that condom maker or some other "we" are claiming that condoms are "100% protection" against AIDS. Unless you can verify that accusation, your argument is bogus.
"Will a condom guarantee I won't get a sexually transmitted disease?
No. There's no absolute guarantee even when you use a condom. But most experts believe that the risk of getting AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases can be greatly reduced if a condom is used properly.
In other words, sex with condoms isn't totally "safe sex," but it is ...[text shortened]... t all the illiterate people in Africa and elsewhere have computers and can read English.
20 Apr 05
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Originally posted by no1marauder"We" no1, are giving the IMPRESSION. A proof of that is that "we", including the "experts" speak of "safe sex". The proof of that will be found if you google on "Safe sex" and check out the number of hits you'll get.
Please show some proof that condom maker or some other "we" are claiming that condoms are "100% protection" against AIDS. Unless you can verify that accusation, your argument is bogus.
20 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeTo use the number of Google hits as "proof" of an argument is so logically fallacious and absurd that it doesn't dignify a response. Please cite a health expert who uses the term "safe sex".
"We" no1, are giving the IMPRESSION. A proof of that is that "we", including the "experts" speak of "safe sex". The proof of that will be found if you google on "Safe sex" and check out the number of hits you'll get.
20 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeLOL.
"We" no1, are giving the IMPRESSION. A proof of that is that "we", including the "experts" speak of "safe sex". The proof of that will be found if you google on "Safe sex" and check out the number of hits you'll get.
"We", including these same "experts" apparently also speak of Metallica, Honda Civics, Al Franken, french fries...