the catholic church is shameful

and out of curiousity, would you think that by questioning the actions god's representatives on earth and not liking what i see, i am questioning god? or even rejecting god?



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This way of thinking leads away from popish knavery...The Protestants await thee...

Originally posted by catfoodtim
LOL!

good god, i'm going the way of henry viii, and all those lads! jesus, mary and joseph no!

Not to mention Cromwell. Now there's a man for the Yankees to admire...

Originally posted by catfoodtim
to label us all as sinners is a little impolite, i think. if the church has called you personally a sinner ask yourself why? you are responsible for your own actions, don't presume to find me guilty of your own predjudices and faults. ...[text shortened]... ier ride. but personally i enjoy coming to my own conclusions.

Yes, you are a sinner friskiestim.....get used to it....you can't escape it no matter what lifestyle you choose....so be happy....as man's place in the scheme of lifew is fixed, just as the planets in the solar system are fixed, and have been for eons...so keep tip-toeing through the tulips, and may you be forever happy....'nuff said..."ciao", oh, I meant "meow". 🙄

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
OK I'll admit my mistake there. I scanned your post noticed the bit where you said you hated gays and didn't read the context.

So what part of the bible do you use to call homosexuality a sin? I ask because I know what the commonly used verses are but which one does it for you?

You didn't notice anywhere that I said I hated gays....as for the verse you're looking for, look it up....any verse will do....

Originally posted by catfoodtim

and out of curiousity, would you think that by questioning the actions god's representatives on earth and not liking what i see, i am questioning god? or even rejecting god?



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Priests are not representatives of God. Those are prophets and saints. Priests are mediums and defenders of the doctrine of the church that they celebrate in. Rejecting God is an action in which someone deliberately exercises their freewill against their conscience.

Originally posted by howardgee
The problem is you conservatives don't have a philosophy:

You just believe everything which is spoon fed to you. (From the media, the book of lies - aka the bible, etc)

This is why you are so full of it, and are incapable of having a rational, reasonable debate.

You have not learnt to philosophise!

And, from past experience, neither have you (college degree notwithstanding).

Originally posted by lucifershammer
And, from past experience, neither have you (college degree notwithstanding).

..and you are basing this unsubstantiated claim on which grounds?

Thank you for proving my point about Conservatives (such as yourself) and their lack of reasoning/arguing ability.

Originally posted by howardgee
..and you are basing this unsubstantiated claim on which grounds?

Thank you for proving my point about Conservatives (such as yourself) and their lack of reasoning/arguing ability.

LOL. In my own country I am considered a "leftist liberal".

You want to talk about lack of reasoning ability?

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=25481&page=2

Absolute tosh.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
LOL. In my own country I am considered a "leftist liberal".

You want to talk about lack of reasoning ability?

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=25481&page=2

Absolute tosh.

I agree - Absolute tosh: Written by yourself!!

Let's take some quotes from Bbar from the aforementioned thread regarding your reasoning:

"You are simply confused on this point."
"You have made an elementary error in reasoning here, as should now be obvious."
"You are still making the same simple error."

I agree entirely with what Bbar wrote here, and I also have a first in Philosophical logic.
However, you still cannot see your basic mistake.
Some are so blind that they cannot see!

Originally posted by howardgee
I agree - Absolute tosh: Written by yourself!!

Let's take some quotes from Bbar from the aforementioned thread regarding your reasoning:

"You are simply confused on this point."
"You have made an elementary error in reasoning here, as should now be obvious."
"You are still making the same simple error."

I agree entirely with what Bbar wr ...[text shortened]... ic.
However, you still cannot see your basic mistake.
Some are so blind that they cannot see!

Read your own response. Then read bbarr's (sp!). Your response is completely irrelevant to the discussion. If you want, I can walk you through it.

Btw, why do you feel you need to parade your qualifications before us "Conservatives"? Are you afraid we will not recognise your intellectual prowess without those qualifications?

Cheers,

LH

PS: I see bbarr has not yet responded to the my last post in that thread. Since you're a fellow "philosopher", care to show me the error of my thinking?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
PS: I see bbarr has not yet responded to the my last post in that thread. Since you're a fellow "philosopher", care to show me the error of my thinking?

If you can't see the error you're making in that thread, despite it being pointed out to you again and again, then what else can I do? I've pointed out your error multiple times, but you just deny you're making it.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Read your own response. Then read bbarr's (sp!). Your response is completely irrelevant to the discussion. If you want, I can walk you through it.

Btw, why do you feel you need to parade your qualifications before us "Conservatives"? Are you afraid we will not recognise your intellectual prowess without those qualifications?

Cheers,

LH

...[text shortened]... n that thread. Since you're a fellow "philosopher", care to show me the error of my thinking?

See the other thread.

Originally posted by catfoodtim
i know this subject is old hat but after reading this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1518316,00.html

in the guardian today i am interested in how catholics feel about child abuse by priests and the church's subsequent response over the years.


when i first moved to dublin i was incensed to hear an open letter from the ...[text shortened]... sing my soul by refusing to attend church services because of sins perpetrated by its spokesmen?

hey i can understand that. it's like looking up to someone just shattered yur ideals of yur god. well. even if u r not walking in 2 the church i don't think yur salvation will be touched at all. u'll live on thinking and doing what u wish. u b'lieve enough god will except n e body right? he wouldn't shatter yur faith would he at the gates of heaven just b'cause u refuse to follow his word thru another?