The Fear Of God

Originally posted by FMF
Yes. I find your "eternal torture" beliefs utterly depraved ~ by which I mean relative to all other depraved ideologies I have encountered. If you need a God figure and Hebrew mythology, plus the literature of its Christian offshoot, to keep you from being evil and immoral, then so be it. I have never denied that religionist dogma helps some people to live good lives [in terms of their interactions with others].

If there is a God, does such a God have a duty to end suffering?

Don't forget, the earth was a paradise once. Should we lose another? Should suffering be perpetual for eternity for everyone?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Explain it please, I'm not trying to get over on you! What is it that you
are suggesting here!?
Kelly

I am not suggesting you are trying to "get one over on" me. In fact I don't really know your motivation for suddenly quibbling such a basic word. 🙂

Originally posted by whodey

If there is a God, does such a God have a duty to end suffering?

What does my speculation on this question matter? This is angel-on-a-pin stuff.

Don't forget, the earth was a paradise once. Should we lose another? Should suffering be perpetual for eternity for everyone?

Your theories on the human history are nonsense to me. You're the one who believes there is "eternal torture" not me.

Originally posted by FMF
I am not suggesting you are trying to "get one over on" me. In fact I don't really know your motivation for suddenly quibbling such a basic word. 🙂

Well, if you would tell me what YOU mean by it in the context you are using
it, I'd be happy! How many times do I have to ask?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well, if you would tell me what YOU mean by it in the context you are using
it, I'd be happy! How many times do I have to ask?
Kelly

"Subscribe" is a straight forward word that is used in the context of beliefs and ideologies and viewpoints. Nothing unconventional or controversial about it. If pretending not to know this is some kind of debating tactic on your part, then so be it. What word are you going to quibble next? "Belief"? "Ideology"? "Torture"?

Originally posted by FMF
"Subscribe" is a straight forward word that is used in the context of beliefs and ideologies and viewpoints. Nothing unconventional or controversial about it. If pretending not to know this is some kind of debating tactic on your part, then so be it. What word are you going to quibble next? "Belief"? "Ideology"? "Torture"?

You think I enjoy the thought of Hell? You said that as if I was some how in
control of the place, or the events that lead up to people being put there.

Maybe you don't talk to people often enough to know that using the same
words does not always mean you are saying the same thing! So quibbling
about meaning is important, at least to those of us who want to know what
the person we are talking to actually is saying. Maybe you don't care, hard
to say!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Maybe you don't talk to people often enough to know that using the same
words does not always mean you are saying the same thing!

I am using "subscribe" in exactly the same way as everybody always uses it in all situations with regard to a belief or beliefs. It is not a difficult word.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You think I enjoy the thought of Hell? You said that as if I was some how in control of the place, or the events that lead up to people being put there.

I have said nothing of the sort. I have simply called you out for subscribing to what I see as one of the most depraved beliefs ever conjured up by man.

Originally posted by FMF
I have said nothing of the sort. I have simply called you out for subscribing to what I see as one of the most depraved beliefs ever conjured up by man.

Called me out for believing what the Bible says is going to happen to sinners.
Okay, guilty.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Called me out for believing what the Bible says is going to happen to sinners.
Okay, guilty.
Kelly

I called you out for subscribing to the belief that such a notion as "eternal torture" ~ as a punishment for people for having different beliefs from you ~ constitutes "justice".

Originally posted by FMF
I called you out for subscribing to the belief that such a notion as "eternal torture" ~ as a punishment for people for having different beliefs from you ~ constitutes "justice".

You are leading a lot of people to that place, and it has nothing to do with
what I believe. As I pointed out to you, I'm not the one that created it, or am
I the one casting those into it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are leading a lot of people to that place, and it has nothing to do with
what I believe.

You believe I am "leading a lot of people to [eternal torture]"? Who am I "leading"? You say there "a lot" of them?

Originally posted by FMF
You believe I am "leading a lot of people to [eternal torture]"? Who am I "leading"? You say there "a lot" of them?

Anyone who buys into Jesus not being the way as you push is leading
others away. So yes, I believe in that bad place, and yes I believe you
are going to be the cause of many going there.
Kelly