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We are led to Jesus Christ through a realisation of our sinful condition and that the atoning work of Christ is the only solution.
Some sort of man made stoked up fire and brimstone burning in hell is a disgraceful and vicarious motivation. Those who attempt to circumvent the machinations of the straight gate should be ashamed of themselves.
You're going overboard with exaggeration because of portions of the New Testament not to your liking.
The consequences of not having one's sins forgiven - the consequence of the wrath of God is there in the NT as a incentive among others, to be saved.
Are you more concerned with pleasing men?
Feel the shame of being a gospel preacher.
Knowing the terror of the Lord we persuade men - wrote Paul.
2 Corinthians 5:11- King James Version (KJV)
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
This is not saying this is the only motivation - the fear of the Lord, the fear of the consequences of not being the Lord's.
@sonship saidDo you ever prey on children, the emotionally vulnerable, people feeling suicidal, or intellectually disabled people with your torturer god ideology in order to recruit them to your religion using "fear"? Do have a way to stop yourself?
Don't lie to the people telling them no one came to Jesus Christ for fear that NOT coming to Jesus Christ would mean ending up under the wrath of God.
-Removed-Don't do that to me.
I asked you a straight-forward question about your beliefs and then you throw back what we've been hearing from others. Something neither of us believes in. I am not normally a "gotcha" type of person. I don't ask questions about someone's beliefs and then pounce on them with some sort of prepared-in-advance "AHA!"
I was asking out of genuinely wanting to know what your beliefs are on how this age is gonna wrap-up, because in order to get to Judgement, this age must pass away. I mean, I see a lot of Revelation coming to pass (namely the Tribulation), but you don't. I just wondered how you expect this age to end, given you're not buying the traditional "end times" story of Revelation.
That's all. I didn't expect a bucket of snark.
@indonesia-phil saidYou are someone who finds it easier to diminish another instead of looking at the points raised.
KellyJay is someone who doesn't think that evolution of species happened, and seems to deny all natural science. He just believes whatever he reads in the bible. I daresay if someone wrote down that his god put two people on the earth to make the whole of humanity and called them Adam and Eve he'd probably believe it. So, you know, I wouldn't worry too much about the whole eternal damnation thing, he probably just read about it somewhere.
-Removed-Sticking you head in the sand while crying about the doctrine isn't reasonable, you have no answers to what is put to you, instead you pretend they don't matter, yet you complain about what it written in scripture as not truth as it is written. Do people always bother you when they take it as it is written while you don't, since you blow it off suggesting it doesn't mean what it clearly says.
If you cannot own up to your beliefs why bother complaining to others about theirs?
-Removed-You believe an unrepentant child abuser who throughout their whole lives did that can dies without Christ is saved? You believe someone who does such a thing and is totally an unrepentant, we could put on hands on his shoulder and say to him, "God loves you just as you are?" You have a screwed up doctrine if you believe that!
@kellyjay saidWhy would an atheist who dedicated her whole life to rescuing sexually abused children, and rehabilitating them, end up getting tortured for eternity in the same way as "an unrepentant child abuser who throughout their whole lives did that"?
You believe an unrepentant child abuser who throughout their whole lives did that can dies without Christ is saved?
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Galatians 3:24
The law is the schoolmaster (or guardian) which brings us to Christ.
That still doesn't mean that there is absolutely no ground for fearful regard of consequences for not being saved. You take it too far.
So Christ comes, to whom the law has been a "child conductor" or guardian to lead man to. And what does this Christ say? Well, He includes words like this:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone who believes into Him would not perish, but would have eternal life." (John 3:16)
To say the least, John 3:16 has been referred to to bring scores of people to salvation in Christ. It is probably the most famous verse in the New Testament.
To believe in the only begotten Son unto eternal life verses to perish is its theme. And it came out of the mouth of Jesus.
We are led to Jesus Christ through a realisation of our sinful condition and that the atoning work of Christ is the only solution.
True. And for realization of the dire consequences too. If we are not forgiven we will perish.
So going to your extreme that no one comes to Christ through fear of going to hell, is wrong. The Holy Spirit will convict people of such a dire need to be saved by Jesus.
I think it is probably a doctrine of demons to teach fear of perishing has brought no one to Jesus.
Some sort of man made stoked up fire and brimstone burning in hell is a disgraceful and vicarious motivation. Those who attempt to circumvent the machinations of the straight gate should be ashamed of themselves.
Where I come from we have something we call "the high gospel" which emphasizes "the unsearchable riches of Christ as the gospel" (Eph. 3:8).
And I have read some tracts that I didn't think were good which included words about hell. But Jesus is a living Person. Once the living Spirit of Christ enters your heart, however you came to Him, He will lead you into more of the truth.
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Don't waste a second of it fearing a non existent deity.
I have found that the "non existent deity" is the automonous self of fallen man, independent from God and completely deceived by forces more powerful then we humans and not themselves subject to God.
Had I ten lives to live, I would not want to waste ONE of them not knowing Jesus Christ.
@fmf saidThis is an unapologetically good point.
Why would an atheist who dedicated her whole life to rescuing sexually abused children, and rehabilitating them, end up getting tortured for eternity in the same way as "an unrepentant child abuser who throughout their whole lives did that"?