10 Jun 23
@of-ants-and-imps saidWho said that, and in what context?
Is it a trivialization to say it was the least thing and yet the most consequential thing the evil one did to a put a misrepresentation in our thought? Because all sin is disobedience but in effect it was our disobedience that was put to test.
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10 Jun 23
@of-ants-and-imps saidThe first temptation didn't come when fully formed humans ate a piece of forbidden fruit, but when one microscopic organism stole another microscopic organism's place on a rock.
Is it a trivialization to say it was the least thing and yet the most consequential thing the evil one did to a put a misrepresentation in our thought? Because all sin is disobedience but in effect it was our disobedience that was put to test.
10 Jun 23
@of-ants-and-imps saidAll sin is an abuse of good, when they sinned it started within their hearts, leading to the rejection of God being good in their thoughts. They believed they could be more without His direction and guiding them in the world He just created.
Is it a trivialization to say it was the least thing and yet the most consequential thing the evil one did to a put a misrepresentation in our thought? Because all sin is disobedience but in effect it was our disobedience that was put to test.
10 Jun 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYour first temptation has stealing and ownership of spots by microscopic organisms, exactly when did they acquire such notions?
The first temptation didn't come when fully formed humans ate a piece of forbidden fruit, but when one microscopic organism stole another microscopic organism's place on a rock.
10 Jun 23
@of-ants-and-imps saidyes it is
Is it a trivialization to say it was the least thing and yet the most consequential thing the evil one did to a put a misrepresentation in our thought? Because all sin is disobedience but in effect it was our disobedience that was put to test.
10 Jun 23
@of-ants-and-imps saidThe first temptation was to have put a snake in the Garden.
Is it a trivialization to say it was the least thing and yet the most consequential thing the evil one did to a put a misrepresentation in our thought? Because all sin is disobedience but in effect it was our disobedience that was put to test.
10 Jun 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThought so, but then you did argue for the rise of morals through nothing but material processes once before. I heard it said today in a way I've never thought of before concerning that, the equivalent to that would be like writing Microsoft operating systems by simply manipulating wires and components alone.
Humour alert.
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10 Jun 23
@kellyjay saidNot sure what you are going on about. We survived and progressed as a species due to our ability to cooperate and work together. This was the basis for our shared morality. (Obviously). You don't kill me or steal my club and I won't kill you or steal your club. etc etc.
Thought so, but then you did argue for the rise of morals through nothing but material processes once before. I heard it said today in a way I've never thought of before concerning that, the equivalent to that would be like writing Microsoft operating systems by simply manipulating wires and components alone.
10 Jun 23
@kellyjay saidGod could have made a Garden without a snake. It was contrary to good to have put a snake in the Garden. Moreover, it was there before Adam showed up.
Exactly how is that a temptation, it isn't until a desire to do contrary to good shows up that one is being tempted to do wrong.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou see, you still use words like progress, cooperation, and working together as if mindlessness could produce those things. You even throw in things like stealing as if that is something that is quantifiable in a mindless world where from the beginning as you believe it to be there was no mind at work.
Not sure what you are going on about. We survived and progressed as a species due to our ability to cooperate and work together. This was the basis for our shared morality. (Obviously). You don't kill me or steal my club and I won't kill you or steal your club. etc etc.
10 Jun 23
@moonbus saidYes, He could have, but then why not? If only through a reality where choices have very real and permanent consequences could the truth about love and hate ever be understood. If He set up the universe where everyone was forced to obey, love could never be real, if in the universe where the threat of punishment was immediate and complete would love be real or just done to avoid bad consequences, but given the chance, bad things would be done.
God could have made a Garden without a snake. It was contrary to good to have put a snake in the Garden. Moreover, it was there before Adam showed up.
We see a police officer along the side of the road we do the speed limit, not out of our desire to obey the law, but avoid the ticket. God's top two commandments are loving Him and each other, when we do these things bad things can still happen to us, but not because we caused them, which is not true if we are acting out of hate and greed.
The Abrahamic God figure, according to the Book of Genesis, engaged in evil beyond comprehension. "He" withheld information about the enormity of "his" intended revenge for disobedience over the "apple" ~ revenge that has been visited upon the 40,000,000,000 humans that have lived ever since ~ and so "he" made the notion and application of Adam & Eve 's free will meaningless. Whether the story is literally true or it's an allegory, regardless, the Abrahamic God's action in the Garden of Eden is the most grotesquely evil deed committed against humanity ever portrayed in any literature.