Originally posted by FMFAnd finally you circumnavigate back to my point. Your perception is skewed by your need to present Christians in the most unflattering light possible.
Most Christians I know, and most Christians I have met, do not believe the world is soon going to end, and have an optimistic outlook and perception of "the way the world is turning", hence my question about pessimism that I pose to Christians that I perceive as being imbued with negativity, cynicism and defeatism.
Originally posted by FMFAnd my answer is that there is no "pessimism" and presenting it as such is purely misrepresentation.
When it comes to their outlook on how much longer the world as we know it will continue to exist and what is the state of the human condition, I don't think Christians can be viewed "as a group". That's my whole point. Hence my question to pessimistic Christians who predict or even welcome the imminent end of the word: 'Do your religious beliefs fuel your pessim ...[text shortened]... sm?' On a Spirituality Forum, on a thread like this called "The future..." it's an apt question.
Originally posted by SuzianneNo, I am not somehow 'misrepresenting' my perception of people who constantly decry the state of the world and talk about how they welcome it being brought to some kind of supernaturally triggered "end". I see it as "pessimism". You are free to disagree, of course, but my point of view is an honest one and clearly expressed, and not a misrepresentation at all.
And my answer is that there is no "pessimism" and presenting it as such is purely misrepresentation.
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-Removed-people are smarter than u seem to give them credit for. that's y the future is harder to predict than ever before.
brexit and trump being 2 examples of completely unpredicted results. Well maybe not totally unpredicted but certainly widely unexpected - at least in this part of the world.
Perhaps, and more than perhaps, almost certainly the Australian media and public are very naive
Originally posted by SuzianneI have met countless, countless Christians - on three different continents - who are positive, optimistic, proactive, not defeatist at all. I rather think it is Christians who have everything-is-hopeless, thank-goodness-for-doomsday, bring-on-the-end-times' mind maps who present themselves in "the most unflattering light possible". They wear their pessimism on their sleeves regardless of what I say or do.
Your perception is skewed by your need to present Christians in the most unflattering light possible.
Actually, one week before it happened I predicted that there would be a blackout in a "green friendly" state, (in this case South Australia) and the government (The Prime Minister no less) would blame it on renewable energies.
For a day or 3 there was a "whodunnit" hunt by the media for who was actually responsible. Of course no one was found and the culprit got away 'into the bushes of ambiguity' .
It was proven that renewables were not resposible for the blackout , per se, but in this post truth world this did not matter. The Prime Minister jumped on it to score political points and anyone with any sense could see it for the farce that it was.
For a country with the highest prospect for renewable energy (wind , sun , hydro* ,etc.) , who should be leading the way in this field, all the politicians are doing is playing point scoring to win the nest election.
Short term policies instead of mid to long term solutions. It's sad.
The science is there. The money is there, but so are the powerful oil and frecking lobbies 😛
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FMF: The definition of the word "pessimism" corresponds exactly to the meaning I am trying to convey.Yes, it addresses your point head on. You said "If you wish to label it "pessimism" in order to make you feel better, then even though it might work and you feel better, you're still wrong. Words have definitions that are not wholly malleable depending on one's "perception". That was your point. I am saying that I am using the word correctly and aptly in order to explain my point of view.
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Who cares? That doesn't even tangentially resemble my point.
FMF: You're barking up the wrong tree, Suzianne. I am specifically not lumping pessimistic Christians in with optimistic Christians. That's the whole point.It has absolutely everything to do with what you said. Which was this: "And for you to lump Christians in with those who are not trying to make a better world in the face of what we know is coming is ridiculous and self-serving."
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It also has nothing to do with what I said.
I am not lumping different kinds of Christians in together. I am commenting on those Christians who are pessimistic and fatalistic, and, at its very core, deliver a message that is misanthropic and negative about mankind, for whom.they exhibit very little "love".
-Removed-You live in 4th World Britain where the public domain is forever sniffing the fumes of bad-news-sells courtesy of the 24-hour parabolic/tabloid cycle. I live in a large developing country with a fledgling democracy that's thrown off its West-sponsored dictatorship and things are, for the most part, on the up and up. Suffocating tyrannies across vast swathes of the world have been rolled back in just the last twenty years or so, but, sure, the world is not without its challenges, injustices and dangers. I meet plenty of Christians where I live who are part of the up and up efforts. Their mind set is a far cry from the 'I hope the world ends in my lifetime' type Christians like galveston75, Suzianne and roigam.