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@rajk999 removed their quoted postIt’s not interesting to me.
The gospels were written decades maybe hundreds of years after Christ died, maybe not even by the named authors.
Eternal life is is a free gift, it cannot be earned.
There is no eternal suffering in hell.
Good works are required by faith.
It’s quite simple.
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I want to warn every reader that when some answers to these distortions of Rajk999 are written, TAKE NOTE: The replies of Rajk999 will be filled with the calling of names, curses to be damned, and vitriolic anathemas.
Specifying scripture for him is fruitless to teach him. His reasoning doesn't seem to have room for the whole of Scripture.
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1. All people are filthy sinners
This charge seems aimed to arouse resentment. It seems directed at the intuitive thought in everyone "I am worth something. There is something good in me."
When some people hear they have been described as "filthy sinner" as the totality of their existence they will recoil completely. It is the Old Testament prophet that Paul quoted.
"What then? Are we better? [we meaning Jews with the law of Moses] Not at all! For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin."
Even as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one;" This is from Psalm 14:1-3 and Psalm 53:1-3 Go read the whole of Psalm 53.
David was a man after God's own heart. When he fell into adultery and murder to cover up his adultery he eventually realized even a man after God's own heart was conceived in iniquity and in sin was conceived by his mother.
Paul's quotation - "Their throat is an open grave; with their tongue they practice deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips." (Rom. 3:13) is his reference to Psalm 5:9.
God sees the speaking of man to be filled with bitterness, deceit, dishonesty, and full of spiritual death. We have to compare ourselves to Jesus Christ to see what God considered as normal, as acceptable to God. Christ is what God meant by mankind. We all are fallen into spiritual death as betrayed by our speaking.
The quotation of Paul also contains a reference to Psalm 140:32
"Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness." comes from Psalm Psalm 10:7.
"Swift are their feet to shed blood" (v.15) comes from Isaiah 59:7-8
Consider the eagerness of violent video games in today's culture.
In the heart of many imaginations young people are swift to want to shed blood.
"There is no fear of God before their eyes" (v. 18) is from Psalm 36:1.
Paul inserts "The way of peace they have not known" (v.17). The reference I don't have now. But check your experience. Christ was the Prince of Peace because He was full of righteousness and justice. Compared to the Son of God no one knows the way of peace.
Did Jesus in the "red letters" teach things like this? Before His apostle did, He did as I will show below here.
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Paul's laying a foundation for the need for all people to cleansed from their filth of sinning was based on both the Old Testament and the teaching of Jesus.
In Matthew 12:34 - "Offspring of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."
Rajk999 may argue that this was spoken only to the religionists opposing Him. But none of us is exempt from the exposure.
"And He said, That which goes out of the man, that DEFILES the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil reasonings, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, foolishness. All these wicked things proceed from within and defile the man." (Mark 7:20-23)
Who among us can say only the Jesus persecuting Pharisees and Sadducees were guilty alone.
Many fornications were hatched out of "evil reasonings" .
What were you reasoning there? What were you employing your logic about?
Many thefts also came out of "evil reasonings".
How did someone else's possession become your possession?
We reasoned out wickedly such thefts.
If you claim you never stole you must be lying.
Adulteries - defiling.
covetousness - defiling.
wickedness, deceit, licentiousness" all leaving a dark stain on man's
character. No, not just for the scribes and Pharisees opposing Jesus.
For you and me.
"Envy, blasphemies, arrogance, foolishness" all leaving a filthy stain on man's character before God and if seen before other people. Did you ever consider our foolish jesting could not be "funny" before God?
"All these wicked things proceed from within and defile man". Paul was just reiterating what Jesus said in the "red letters" - in the synoptic gospels.
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1. All people are filthy sinners
Before Paul wrote of condemnation of all men and the need for justification, his Lord who sent him to be an apostle taught it.
You see Rajk999's thought is always "But Jesus taught us to do good things. Jesus taught man to do good. That's the teaching of Jesus."
Of course Jesus painted a dark background by speaking of the way He lived.
And how He lived He exhorted that His kingdom people must live the same way.
But He knew man's need for a life capable of living unto God - His own life. And He could not wait to die and rise to dispense His life in His Spirit into man.
Here we see Jesus longing to cast fire on the earth, meaning to pour out the Holy Spirit of the Son of God crucified, raised, exalted and imparted into man on the earth.
"I have come to cast fire on the earth, and how I wish that it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how I am pressed until it is accomplished! (Luke 12:49-50)
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He felt limited. He felt constrained and restricted.
He had to go through His terrible baptism of redemptive death on the cross.
He had to God by the Father's schedule before He could cast the life giving Holy Spirit to those on the earth. He was "pressed" until this could be accompiished.
It would be a mistake to think this fire only relates to forgiveness.
Though the sending of Spirit relates to forgiveness it involves:
1.) Christ Himself coming into forgiven sinners to be their life.
2.) Christ teaching them to live by His indwelling as He lived by the Father.
"Come to Me all who toil [toil to be good by the law] and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." (Matt. 11:28-29)
We find rest in receiving the divine life of Jesus Christ. We learn of Him. His yoke of living in oneness with the Father is easy. His burden is light. We need to receive Him after this baptism of His dearth, resurrection, ascension, and impartation into man.
This is the fire He could not wait to cast upon the earth - Himself in the form in which Jesus can live in us.
@rajk999 removed their quoted postThe authority is from the One who sends; if we refuse either Jesus or Paul, we refuse the one who sent them as we do with all of those that God sends.
John 13:20
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.”
John 20:21
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”
John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
Acts 22
And when the blood of Stephen your witness was being shed, I myself was standing by and approving and watching over the garments of those who killed him.’ And he said to me, ‘Go, for I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’”
1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
If we refuse the one who was sent to us, we refuse the one who sent them. If God has someone write a message, it doesn't matter who the Lord picks; you refuse the message from the Lord; you refuse the one who sent it. Whatever gets written has to line up with the rest of scripture; if it doesn't, it isn't from God; this systematic approach checks all things as God is not a God of confusion; He does not contradict Himself, while our understanding may be flawed.
@sonship saidYou are spamming the thread with nonsense. The question is - Is any of that the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ?
He felt limited. He felt constrained and restricted.
He had to go through His terrible baptism of redemptive death on the cross.
He had to God by the Father's schedule before He could cast the life giving Holy Spirit to those on the earth. He was "pressed" until this could be accompiished.
It would be a mistake to think this fire only relates to forgive ...[text shortened]... e fire He could not wait to cast upon the earth - Himself in the form in which Jesus can live in us.