Originally posted by RBHILLI find this to be one of the most interesting passages in the Bible.
My parents mock me all the time and because I want to go to Church and that I want to grow in Christ.
Matthew 10:34-39
34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother, a daughterinlaw against her moth ...[text shortened]... 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
I think you should move out, RB. It's time.
Originally posted by RBHILLGet your strength from the Lord. I'll pray for your parents.
My parents mock me all the time and because I want to go to Church and that I want to grow in Christ.
Matthew 10:34-39
34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother, a daughterinlaw against her moth ...[text shortened]... 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Originally posted by RBHILLYou really have no understanding of Christ, do you?
My parents mock me all the time and because I want to go to Church and that I want to grow in Christ.
Matthew 10:34-39
34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother, a daughterinlaw against her moth ...[text shortened]... 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
He doesn't say " It's ok to publicly criticize your parents": What he's saying is to follow him even if its against your parents wishes.
Nemesio is better able to explain the meaning of the metaphors than I am.
37“Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.God is the ultimate love.....doesnt mean you love your parents or children less.....means there is no stronger love than.
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Originally posted by frogstompI'm not sure that RBHILL really criticized his parents unfairly. If his mom doesn't
You really have no understanding of Christ, do you?
He doesn't say " It's ok to publicly criticize your parents": What he's saying is to follow him even if its against your parents wishes.
Nemesio is better able to explain the meaning of the metaphors than I am.
read the Bible (I don't think RBHILL is lying) because she think she doesn't have
to, but still calls herself a Christian, then she is prideful by Christian standards.
However, his dad's saying that there were 15 commandments is obviously a joke.
This is why I asked my questions of RBHILL (which, I notice, went unanswered;
I suspect that they did because RBHILL wanted to ask his pastor or consult online
Christian sites to see if saying yes to any of them constituted blasphemy).
As for explaining this passage, I, like Kirk, have found this passage very enigmatic.
I think that your understanding, Frogstomp, and RBHILL's is fairly concordant. I
don't think RBHILL was dishonoring them, but speaking what he understood to be
the truth about their understanding of Christianity. From his descriptions of his
mother, she is among the most misinformed Roman Catholics I know.
Nemesio
I want to know RB's definition of pride . It seems he wants to have it both ways . (Acusing others of pride when they point out his errors in spelling , but thinking it's ok for him to point out flaws in them .) Look up "double standard' while you're at it , RB . (I would also like to know his definition of judgement .)
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Originally posted by RBHILLThat's why God created Mavis Beacon - it's time to get serious, my friend!
You may think it is a joke, but in the eyes of God it is business when it comes to saving the lost.
my dad always says stupid things like oh there where really 15 commandments but moses droped 5, he is saying stupid things.
http://www.mavisbeacon.com/
Edit: lol, your dad sounds like a funny guy.
Originally posted by NemesioIt might be enigimatic , however using it as a excuse for disrepecting your parents is not Honoring them.
I'm not sure that RBHILL really criticized his parents unfairly. If his mom doesn't
read the Bible (I don't think RBHILL is lying) because she think she doesn't have
to, but still calls herself a Christian, then she is prideful by Christian standards.
However, his dad's saying that there were 15 commandments is obviously a joke.
This is why I a ...[text shortened]... scriptions of his
mother, she is among the most misinformed Roman Catholics I know.
Nemesio
I did think you could explain the metaphor, but seeing you think my view of the passage is concordant with RBHILL's , I now realize, I thought wrong.
Originally posted by frogstompContrary to Darfius's representation of me, I do not have all or even a substantial
It might be enigimatic , however using it as a excuse for disrepecting your parents is not Honoring them.
I did think you could explain the metaphor, but seeing you think my view of the passage is concordant with RBHILL's , I now realize, I thought wrong.
subset of the answers.
I just know wrong when I see it (you know, A and ~A are simultaneously true...that
sort of stuff).
Nemesio
Originally posted by frogstompRBHILL is obviously doing this and using this Scripture to support that
He doesn't say " It's ok to publicly criticize your parents": What he's saying is to follow him even if its against your parents wishes.
his actions are justified as not 'dishonorable.' He is following what he
feels is his vocation in spite of his parents. This I feel is at the essence
of the Scripture and, as such, the point of concordance between your and
his position.
Furthermore, I also believe that RBHILL not 'criticizing' his parents; it is not
as if he is saying his mom is fat or ugly. He's saying she is an inattentive
Christian, which by all accounts is true. Her version of Roman Catholicism
is theologically reprehensible and is at least partly responsible for RBHILL's
antagonistic behavior towards that tradition. That he believes his dad is
disrespectful is the product of his complete absence of a sense of humor
about religious topics.
Honoring one's parents does not preclude judging them against the standards
by which they claim to live. Indeed, I am sure that RBHILL feels very
justified in pronouncing these judgments, and (within the fundamentalist
Christian theological framework), I'm not sure he isn't justified.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioHis opinion of what his parent's beliefs are isn't the issue, It's his showing public disrespect for them.
RBHILL is obviously doing this and using this Scripture to support that
his actions are justified as not 'dishonorable.' He is following what he
feels is his vocation in spite of his parents. This I feel is at the essence
of the Scripture and, as such, the point of concordance between your and
his position.
Furthermore, I also believe that RBHILL ...[text shortened]... fundamentalist
Christian theological framework), I'm not sure he isn't justified.
Nemesio
That you have such a low opinion of his mothers religious beliefs ought to give you pause to reconsider what "Honor yoyr father and mother" means. In your eyes she has been dishonored.
Originally posted by RBHILLI don't honestly believe that this is how a church defines a miracle is it? I thought raising from the dead was a miracle, not when someone is 'born again'. That's rather debasing the concept I would have thought.
The greatest miracle is when a sinner turns from his sins and accepts Christ into his heart.
It's like giving a Victoria Cross to an atheist for attending a happy-clappy Church meeting...