Originally posted by eagles54Anyone that speaks contrary to the word of GOD is on the road to hell. I have commited myself to keep my eyes on JESUS CHRIST. And wait until all of GOD'S enemies are humbled before him.
You may find one day that an intractable mind is what leads directly to that pit of hell.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesOkay, that's cool. I may start a new thread sometime to explore other ideas of entrances to hells/heavens not based on eternalism.
Yes, this thread is intended to operate under that presumption. It was motivated by the constant vagaries of "You must do this to get to Heaven", or "You'll go to Hell if you don't do that" routinely observed here, yet never stated precisely for the record, and never agreed upon by more than one participant.
Originally posted by blindfaith101Your username reveals much to me.
Anyone that speaks contrary to the word of GOD is on the road to hell. I have commited myself to keep my eyes on JESUS CHRIST. And wait until all of GOD'S enemies are humbled before him.
Having a questioning mind, one that seeks experiential truth and not just one that adheres to a straitjacketed mindset is actually an attribute I believe Jesus Christ would approve highly of.
Originally posted by eagles54you may be forgetting that blind man, had the faith that JESUS, had the power to make him see. After years of questioning and trying to reason why, he was blind. He came unto his right mind and acceptted that GOD had puposely come, to heal him.
Your username reveals much to me.
Having a questioning mind, one that seeks experiential truth and not just one that adheres to a straitjacketed mindset is actually an attribute I believe Jesus Christ would approve highly of.
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Originally posted by lucifershammerIf Grace is a necessary condition for salvation, then it follows that without Grace one will not be saved. This is just what it means for something to be a necessary condition. Hence, the conditions you cite in 2 can't be sufficient, as they alone will not suffice for salvation. You must include along with these conditions the necessary condition of Grace you cite in 1.
Let's give it a shot:
1. Grace
2. Sincere repentance for sins and a strong desire to be with God for all eternity
3 and 4. Dying in a state of mortal sin
Originally posted by bbarrI gave him the benefit of the doubt and took him to mean that the sufficient condition he listed is sufficient cause to be granted Grace, thereby satisfying the necessary condition for salvation. I also interpreted it to mean that the stated repentence and desire were mutually exclusive with dying in a state of mortal sin.
If Grace is a necessary condition for salvation, then it follows that without Grace one will not be saved. This is just what it means for something to be a necessary condition. Hence, the conditions you cite in 2 can't be sufficient, as they alone will not suffice for salvation. You must include along with these conditions the necessary condition of Grace you cite in 1.
If he didn't mean either of these, then he does indeed have some explaining to do.
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Originally posted by DarfiusCould you please make your response conform to the question. I can't tell if you intend these to be necessary or sufficient.
Heaven - Believe Jesus Christ rose literally from the dead and that He is Lord of your life (meaning you follow His rules always).
Hell - Failure to do both of those.
Originally posted by DarfiusWhat if you only do one? In that case, you haven't 'failed to do both of those'. Unless you believe in Purgatory, I think you mean 'fail to do at least one of those'.
Heaven - Believe Jesus Christ rose literally from the dead and that He is Lord of your life (meaning you follow His rules always).
Hell - Failure to do both of those.
Originally posted by DarfiusRules? I thought you didn't have to follow rules to be saved? And don't give me that "you follow the rules if you are saved not in order to be saved" crud. For one thing, you just said that you have to follow them. For another, if it were true then there would be no reason to mention these rules at all.
Heaven - Believe Jesus Christ rose literally from the dead and that He is Lord of your life (meaning you follow His rules always).
Hell - Failure to do both of those.
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Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
I gave him the benefit of the doubt and took him to mean that the sufficient condition he listed is sufficient cause to be granted Grace, thereby satisfying the necessary condition for salvation.
That was implicit in my position anyhow:
Salvation => Grace
(Repentence,Desire) => Salvation
Hence
(R,D) => Grace
I also interpreted it to mean that the stated repentence and desire were mutually exclusive with dying in a state of mortal sin.
Pretty much.