17 Mar '05 00:58>
Originally posted by lucifershammerIf (R&D) are truly sufficient for salvation, then even in the absence of Grace one who manifested (R&D) would be saved. This is just what it means for a condition to be sufficient. On your view, (R&D) themselves cannot suffice for salvation, as you take grace to be a necessary condition. So, you must take Grace, Repentance and Desire to be individually necessary and jointly sufficient for salvation. As a rule, the set of sufficient conditions for an event will necessarily include as elements each necessary condition for that event.
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
[b]I gave him the benefit of the doubt and took him to mean that the sufficient condition he listed is sufficient cause to be granted Grace, thereby satisfying the necessary condition for salvation.
That was implicit in my position anyhow:
Salvation => Grace
(Repentence,Desire) => Salvation
H ...[text shortened]... ence and desire were mutually exclusive with dying in a state of mortal sin.[/b]
Pretty much.[/b]