-Removed-Exactly , this IS the trinity. Three aspects of God's nature all ONE in Spirit NOT separate. Therefore , the doctrine of God the Father / God the Son / God the Holy Spirit. All ONE in the Spirit.
I really don't see the problem. It's a little confusing at first but it's the only honest way of making sense of the NT.
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-Removed-yes that's correct, there might have been a valid reason for it, its just i couldn't find
one and thought that those who read the K'J's version might have one. RJH made a
good case for ghost but it still doesn't seem correct, somehow, ill need to look up some
other stuff. No deconstruction of the trinity was intended but sadly no one trusted me. 🙁
yes its really interesting why the cling to it, when i go from house to house, sometimes
i find people who think that anything which suggests that its not valid is blasphemous, i
even had one crazed women who came out her house with a big sign, Jesus Christ is
God and proceeded to put it above her door, after verbally assaulting me, she went
back inside.
-Removed-No , that's your idea not mine. I think you just probably haven't understood what it is yet. What I meant is that the trinity is a way of reconciling a load of stuff that is quite confusing. It is a struggle but given the information we get given it's the only thing that makes any sense.
I think to say you are being dishonest would be unfair. What I would tentatively suggest is that you have probably fudged something somewhere without really realizing it. For example , one of the classic fudges JW's make is to negate the divinity of Jesus , whereas it seems clear to me that he was unequivocal in his claims to be God.
-Removed-is so fundamentally wrong about the nature of a God who spent the entire OT stating precisely the opposite that I find it hard to understand why people accept it just because they have been taught it.
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I don't "accept it because I was taught it" - this is a misconception. Another misconception is that we believe God is not ONE. Trinitarians believe that God is ONE just as much as you do. We would not believe in the trinity if we felt that it fragmented God into separate "gods" (which is what the OT was trying to prevent people from doing).
You forget that Jesus said in the NT that He and his Father "are ONE" and he also said that "before abraham was I AM" (and was then hounded for saying he was God). Logically there is no way to explain this other then to realize that Jesus is presenting us with at least the first two parts of the trinity (God the Son and God the Father). Interestingly , though he never fragments God but talks in terms of "we are ONE" . I see no other way round this without fudging things.
You forget that the OT also taught us about the many different aspects of God (ie God the judge , God the merciful etc) would that mean they were saying God is not ONE?
Overall , I fail to see why the God of the Bible would stay up in heaven and not be present with his people. I would not want to worship such a God. Also Jesus was seen by many as contradicting the OT and the Torah , when infact he was fulfilling the law and the prophecies.
However , my main reason for believing the trinity is because it's the only way of making sense of what Jesus taught. He clearly talked about the Holy Spirit and he never used the word IT or talked about it as a "force". He always used the term HIM and gave the Holy Spirit attributes of personality. He said the HS would be the comforter , for example. I fail to see how when I am in distress or sadness that I am going to be comforted by an impersonal force or IT!!!?? It's truly a bizarre idea!
