The Law of the Universe

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
There is an indefinable mysterious power that pervades everything. I feel it, though
I do not see it. It is this unseen power which makes itself felt and yet defies all proof
because it is so unlike all that I perceive through my senses. It transcends the
senses.

But it is possible to reason out the existence of god to an [unintelligible] e ...[text shortened]...
reason. All that I can advise is not to attempt the impossible.

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

You said, "Hence I gather that god is life, truth, light."

Doesn't this remind you of what Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth,
and the Life." Christ also said He was the Light of the world. He is
that Light that shows the Way to the Truth that leads to eternal Life.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
gandhi was an amazing person, no doubts about that, but still he was another religious nut. faith transcending reason is a terrible,terrible,terrible thing. reason must be king, the lack of reason is why we have so many problems in a world that shouldnt have any.
as thom yorke once sang " just because you feel it doesnt mean its there "

my daughter ...[text shortened]... use my mummy wouldnt lie to me. in her mind she is 100% correct, but it doesnt make her right.

The difference is that Mummy can lie, but God can not lie.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The difference is that Mummy can lie, but God can not lie.

are you saying that he has limits to his/her/its power?

you know that mummy can lie because you are sure that there is no such thing as the tooth fairy, but my child would say mummy can not lie.

if my child believes in god does that mean she has found god? even though she is too young to weigh up the facts?

Originally posted by FMF
JS357's question was absolutely point blank and crystal clear, robbie.

it was completely abstract and topped off with a personal insult.

Originally posted by black beetle
Oh I teased you my trusty feer, like the trusty feers do, always with good spirit, and, why not, for a hearty lough over an imaginary tippeny or a wee dram;

We both know Ghandi's beliefs alright; I shifted them a bit towards the Royal Game and the result is at least awkward (for examlpe, GMs "play intuitively" but their plans are not separated from r ...[text shortened]... eive that GMs do play without resource to reason! And so we disagree -no big deal though)
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ah Great beetle you know the Gaelic temperament well, for tis part of our egalitarian
sensibilities that we can tease each other safe in the knowledge that it need not be
personal! I believe that their reason is guided by intuition dear beetle. Kaspers knows
that without his light squared bishop his kingside attack with the dark side of the KID is
bound to fail, he need not reason it, his intuition guides his reason and he knows it.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
are you saying that he has limits to his/her/its power?

you know that mummy can lie because you are sure that there is no such thing as the tooth fairy, but my child would say mummy can not lie.

if my child believes in god does that mean she has found god? even though she is too young to weigh up the facts?

Lying is evil and evidence of lack of Power.

P.S. Satan believes that God exists, but Satan does not believe in God
in the way that we are expected to. Atheists say they don't even
believe God exists. So what do you really mean when you say "believe
in God"?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You said, [b]"Hence I gather that god is life, truth, light."

Doesn't this remind you of what Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth,
and the Life." Christ also said He was the Light of the world. He is
that Light that shows the Way to the Truth that leads to eternal Life.[/b]

Ghandis teaching is that cerebral acknowledgement is not enough, ones religious
convictions must percolate from the mind to the heart and motivate one to action.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ah Great beetle you know the Gaelic temperament well, for tis part of our egalitarian
sensibilities that we can tease each other safe in the knowledge that it need not be
personal! I believe that their reason is guided by intuition dear beetle. Kaspers knows
that without his light squared bishop his kingside attack with the dark side of the KID is
bound to fail, he need not reason it, his intuition guides his reason and he knows it.

Methinks this kind of intuition is nothing but the fruit of the hard work because it arises solely thanks to hard work. Exclude the countless hours of hard work that turned a patzer into a GM -and you remain with just the patzer, who's intuition ain't mean a thing.

It seems to me that the seriousness of desicion making (intuition/fruit of hard work is of course included) on the chessboard does not only start series of practical consequences and time pressure, but it also has a significance of the stratagems, tactics and fantasy that it connects. So no reason, no nothing 😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Methinks this kind of intuition is nothing but the fruit of the hard work because it arises solely thanks to hard work. Exclude the countless hours of hard work that turned a patzer into a GM -and you remain with just the patzer, who's intuition ain't mean a thing.

It seems to me that the seriousness of desicion making (intuition/fruit of hard work i ...[text shortened]... nificance of the stratagems, tactics and fantasy that it connects. So no reason, no nothing 😵

But we must make a reasonable leap of faith ,not blind faith, to arrive at this position, ie "No reason, no nothing".
It depends on where we are with our lessons. Some will be further along than others, but we all get home in the end, right?




On top of what Ghandi said I would add that a "law" (more guideline really, but a neccesity none the less), is bound by ones thinking always. So we must become co-authors of the universe when we are ready. Copying others will not suffice.

Unfortunatly my answer to your koan is still "I dont know" , despite feeling like I have put in hard work, for my back is very sore 🙂

Always nice of you to grace us with your presence, dear beetle 😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Methinks this kind of intuition is nothing but the fruit of the hard work because it arises solely thanks to hard work. Exclude the countless hours of hard work that turned a patzer into a GM -and you remain with just the patzer, who's intuition ain't mean a thing.

It seems to me that the seriousness of desicion making (intuition/fruit of hard work i ...[text shortened]... nificance of the stratagems, tactics and fantasy that it connects. So no reason, no nothing 😵

there are just so many factors dear Beetle, one can play merely for the aesthetics
of a position, beautiful pawns are one thing but may be impractical when one is
trying to storm the bastions of the the royal house on the other side of the board,
even the great Capablanca who relied more upon his intuition than anyone else over
reached himself when playing Ilyin-Genevsky, an unknown Russian master, not
because he did not understand the elementary principles of the position, but
because he must have simply underestimated his opponent, how else are we to
account for it?

Thus as you stated in your post in the chess only forum, it appears paramount that
one must know oneself. Botvinnik who tried to make chess a science states of
Fischer that above all else, he was true to himself and herin was his strength and his
weakness, Socrates would agree with him! Knowing oneself is of the utmost
importance to the decision making process and herin lies the difficulty for as the
ancient bard states, its not so easy to see ourselves as others see us. How are we
to proceed? Thus i perceive two conflicting forces, the elements of the chess board
and its dictates and our own will, with its propensity for optimism and creativity and
bravery and lots of other ideals which may be our undoing.

Clearly chess cannot be reduced to a rigid set of maxims for in every instance there
is a counter argument, nor can one rely totally upon ones intuition, gleaned from
hours of study the process of which is to make us wiser and stronger, for knowledge
does not lead to wisdom ( wisdom being the application of knowledge) unless we
know how to do just that, apply it. Knowing that an IQP may be a strength or a
weakness is one thing, knowing how to play with or against it another.

I myself have taken the guise of Icarus, for it describes my approach, carried away
with the exuberance of the experience i can get high from chess, yet it follows that
as soon as i have reached my zenith, i am want to come crashing down and the
escapist is faced with imminent reality and once again i find myself at the point of
giving up, despondent and unwilling to try again. Pleasure spiked with pain!

Originally posted by karoly aczel
But we must make a reasonable leap of faith ,not blind faith, to arrive at this position, ie "No reason, no nothing".
It depends on where we are with our lessons. Some will be further along than others, but we all get home in the end, right?




On top of what Ghandi said I would add that a "law" (more guideline really, but a neccesity none the le ...[text shortened]... back is very sore 🙂

Always nice of you to grace us with your presence, dear beetle 😵

Edit: "But... ...right?"

Methinks we must make concrete analysis, evaluation and calculation. Leap of faith is irrelevant;


Edit: "On top... ...suffice."

I think mind is the bond (between our way, the way we perceive things and our position in an ever changing universe) and the bond is strong. We merely make it up; no absolute truth.

Your koan is You🙂

Nice to hear of you too, my karoly. May You Always Be Happy
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there are just so many factors dear Beetle, one can play merely for the aesthetics
of a position, beautiful pawns are one thing but may be impractical when one is
trying to storm the bastions of the the royal house on the other side of the board,
even the great Capablanca who relied more upon his intuition than anyone else over
reached himsel ...[text shortened]... at the point of
giving up, despondent and unwilling to try again. Pleasure spiked with pain!

Yes😵

As you see, one has always to create one's own way. This is the Reason, and the variations start from this point😵

Originally posted by RJHinds
The difference is that Mummy can lie, but God can not lie.

circular argument, god can only;a) not be a liar; if, b) god exists. b is a personal opinion not a fact.

Originally posted by black beetle
Yes😵

As you see, one has always to create one's own way. This is the Reason, and the variations start from this point😵

ah yes, but for some it is a natural process for others, its hard to see, can statistics tell
us what a friend cannot? can we determine for ourselves where our strengths and
weaknesses lie? does it really matter at patzer level? How i search for something
concrete but look, its a sweeping up of leaves to see them blown away by the wind! 🙂

Originally posted by black beetle
Edit: "But... ...right?"

Methinks we must make concrete analysis, evaluation and calculation. Leap of faith is irrelevant;


Edit: "On top... ...suffice."

I think mind is the bond (between our way, the way we perceive things and our position in an ever changing universe) and the bond is strong. We merely make it up; no absolute truth.

Your koan is You🙂

Nice to hear of you too, my karoly. May You Always Be Happy
😵

Of course.
I still feel as though I would not be here conversing with you , on this path now, if I had not made some leaps of faith in the past. Abandoned old stale reasoning. Cast aside the lure of the world and embraced the reality of my dreams.

But , as we both know, it's just words. We make up a story to connect the dots, but it is not necessary.

my concrete analysis tells me to make one more leap of faith , when the time is right, and finally stop dragging this corpse around after me ...It's up to me and no one else to be happy always. I gotta tell myself that every now and then still. i still got a bit of child in me.
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