The doxology of this prayer ("For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen."😉 is not included in the earliest manuscripts of Matthew or Luke (the two books of the Bible containing the prayer). Why, then, has this become such a standard ending to a prayer given by God. Christains are told, "when you pray...pray like this, Insert the Lord's Prayer here", and yet the we have added to it.

Is this right? Should we perhaps omit the doxology when saying this prayer?

Originally posted by genius
Is this right? Should we perhaps omit the doxology when saying this prayer?

Originally posted by darvlay
Yes. Remove it right away. Each time the doxology is repeated God becomes enraged, as well he should.

Originally posted by genius
The doxology of this prayer ("For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen."😉 is not included in the earliest manuscripts of Matthew or Luke (the two books of the Bible containing the prayer). Why, then, has this become such a standard ending to a prayer given by God. Christains are told, "when you pray...pray like this, [i] ...[text shortened]... added to it.

Is this right? Should we perhaps omit the doxology when saying this prayer?

Originally posted by genius
Should we perhaps omit the doxology when saying this prayer?

I think the "Lord's Prayer" is actually found in the Gospel of John in chapter 17. That is the great prayer that the Lord Jesus prayed which we can say is His prayer.

When He taught the disciples how to pray, that was more their prayer.

And repeating it by rote, automatically and formally is not always very helpful. Rather praying from the heart honestly using those matters as an example is better.

The reciting of the prayer can become spiritually dead. God hates death. He wants us to be living in our worship and full of honesty and spiritual vitality.

Originally posted by Red Night
Roman Catholics say the lords prayer without the ending.

Only Protestants, (some protestants), say the doxology.

Originally posted by jaywill
I think the "Lord's Prayer" is actually found in the Gospel of John in chapter 17. That is the great prayer that the Lord Jesus prayed which we can say is His prayer.

When He taught the disciples how to pray, that was more their prayer.

And repeating it by rote, automatically and formally is not always very helpful. Rather praying from the heart hon ...[text shortened]... es death. He wants us to be living in our worship and full of honesty and spiritual vitality.

Originally posted by jaywill
I think the "Lord's Prayer" is actually found in the Gospel of John in chapter 17. That is the great prayer that the Lord Jesus prayed which we can say is His prayer.

When He taught the disciples how to pray, that was more their prayer.

And repeating it by rote, automatically and formally is not always very helpful. Rather praying from the heart hon ...[text shortened]... es death. He wants us to be living in our worship and full of honesty and spiritual vitality.

Originally posted by Red Night
Roman Catholics say the lords prayer without the ending.

Only Protestants, (some protestants), say the doxology.

Originally posted by shavixmir
Quite right. And don't Catholics call it: "The Our Father"?

So, to summarise:

Catholic good, Protestant bad.

Originally posted by shavixmir
Quite right. And don't Catholics call it: "The Our Father"?

Roman Catholics usually do not add the doxology, "For Thine is the kingdom, power, and glory, forever and ever." However, this doxology, in the form "For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and for ever", is used in the Catholic Mass, separated from the Lord's Prayer by a prayer, spoken or sung by the priest, that elaborates on the final petition, "Deliver us from evil."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Prayer#Versions

So... that's that sorted then.

yes ive heard it the roman faith, but said after a long pause between. but thanks never knew its called the doxology.