The love of God

Originally posted by @kellyjay .. to Eladar
What you gave me was from the OT, Jesus wasn't born in the OT, but the NT so please
give up that quote. You could have said, God in the OT said this, everyone would have
agreed with you, but you didn't say that.

He has put it to you as follows: "If the instruction in Leviticus was from God, it was also from Jesus."

Originally posted by @kellyjay
The Word of God has been here forever, in the OT yes, but Jesus didn't show up until the
NT the Word of God made flesh...Jesus wasn't flesh in the OT, so you ready to admit you
do not have a Jesus quote yet?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
The Word of God has been here forever...

Are the Word of God and the Word of Jesus different? Can one be wrong and the other right?

Originally posted by @eladar
Let's make sure we stay honest here. Sorry if the Gospel that is in your heart tells you that Jesus was not the God of the OT.

Do you believe that self-identifying Christians - who believe it is wrong for society to execute rebellious children and homosexuals - are "children of Satan"?

Originally posted by @fmf
Are the Word of God and the Word of Jesus different? Can one be wrong and the other right?

Yet more grasping at straws.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Yet more grasping at straws.

Not at all. Actually, I am wondering why KellyJay (or you for that matter) isn't able to deal with the anomalous theory that Eladar is putting forward; saying "The Word of God has been here forever..." is surely playing into Eladar's hands.

It's odd how Suzianne seems to almost always choose to 'play the man' rather than 'the ball' that the discussion is about.

Originally posted by @fmf
Do you believe that self-identifying Christians - who believe it is wrong for society to execute rebellious children and homosexuals - are "children of Satan"?

Not at all. If they claim it was immoral for OT Israel, then I'd say yes.

Originally posted by @eladar
Why did Jesus order homosexuals and rebellious children to be executed?

Do you believe this "order" still stands?

Originally posted by @fmf
Do you believe this "order" still stands?

No

FMF: But the question is: are you believer in the so called Old and New Covenants and the difference between them?

Originally posted by @eladar
Sure there is a difference. Sheesh you'd think a former christian would know this already.

So you believe Jesus changed his mind about what constituted the morally sound punishment for "rebellious children"?

Originally posted by @fmf
So you believe Jesus changed his mind about what constituted the morally sound punishment for "rebellious children"?

No

FMF: So you believe Jesus changed his mind about what constituted the morally sound punishment for "rebellious children"?

Originally posted by @eladar
No

Does this mean you believe Jesus still thinks execution constitutes the morally sound punishment for "rebellious children"?

Originally posted by @fmf
Does this mean you believe Jesus still thinks execution constitutes the morally sound punishment for "rebellious children"?

I'd say Jesus teaches us that it is the moral thing to do under certain circumstances. What circumstance? When it is a society that Hod requires to survive and a society that God is to blesd.

Originally posted by @eladar
I'd say Jesus teaches us that it is the moral thing to do under certain circumstances. What circumstance? When it is a society that Hod requires to survive and a society that God is to blesd.

But according to what you have said, Jesus has clearly changed his mind about what the appropriate punishment is for homosexuality and being a rebellious child.