09 May 11
Originally posted by Conrau KI see I've touched a nerve.
[b]His entire life was one of privilege and prestige.
Are you serious? His childhood was marred by the death of his mother and sister. He spent his early adult life training for the priesthood in secret from the Nazi regime. His final years were characterised by excruciating pain. And far from enjoying the pleasures of Rome, he spent a substantial am ...[text shortened]... intlessly go to Iraq and deliberately seek martyrdom? What value do you think that would have?[/b]
I did not mean to offend you Conrau, but I simply have no respect for religion.
We'll see how it plays out with the righteous judge. Like I said before, I could be all wrong about the guy. I hope I am.
But I do take exception to your statement that he oversaw the collapse of communism in Russia. I thought that was Reagan. "Tare down this wall..." 😕
09 May 11
Originally posted by Conrau KWell the underlying point here and it's one I'm not going to get back into with you is the Pope is worshipped by millions as much more then a man and one that most Catholics would give their life for in a heart beat because of his station and holyness that he's supposed to have, or whatever they call it. They even give him the titile Father which only belongs to God himself, so he is way more then a mear man to most.
[b]Why is it even necassary?
It isn't necessary. Most people go their whole lives without a papal blessing.
Why is it even necassary? The Bible calls us all brothers and one should not be above another and if anything we should act as servants to our brothers as Jesus even did himself by washing the feet of the apostles.
The act of ble ...[text shortened]... lebrations, the Pope will wash the feet of twelve lay people in Rome. It is part of the ritual.[/b]
And I don't care what traditions that man has had over the centuries blessing another mear human as themself. One has no more power or importance then another as it is only God and his son Jesus that can do such a thing. This station that men have given to another man is a total injustice and a mockery of God himself.
But I know you will never see that or see the hypocrisy in any man being put in a position that like. If it was to be done rightly by anybody it would have been Jesus don't ya think?
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09 May 11
Originally posted by josephwBut I do take exception to your statement that he oversaw the collapse of communism in Russia. I thought that was Reagan. "Tare down this wall..." 😕
I see I've touched a nerve.
I did not mean to offend you Conrau, but I simply have no respect for religion.
We'll see how it plays out with the righteous judge. Like I said before, I could be all wrong about the guy. I hope I am.
But I do take exception to your statement that he oversaw the collapse of communism in Russia. I thought that was Reagan. "Tare down this wall..." 😕
Haha. Sure.
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09 May 11
Originally posted by galveston75The Pope is not worshiped. There is no obligation to die for the Pope. The title of father is given to priests too and obviously to paternal fathers. Jesus obviously did not mean to criticise the latter nor could I see a problem with the former. The position of Pope is for Catholics no different to the position of Peter. If the Pope is respected, it is in so far as he is the successor of Peter. We have been over this before. I am not interested in continuing this discussion. Your ignorance is your own choice.
Well the underlying point here and it's one I'm not going to get back into with you is the Pope is worshipped by millions as much more then a man and one that most Catholics would give their life for in a heart beat because of his station and holyness that he's supposed to have, or whatever they call it. They even give him the titile Father which only be ...[text shortened]... that like. If it was to be done rightly by anybody it would have been Jesus don't ya think?
09 May 11
Originally posted by Conrau KLol....
The Pope is not worshiped. There is no obligation to die for the Pope. The title of father is given to priests too and obviously to paternal fathers. Jesus obviously did not mean to criticise the latter nor could I see a problem with the former. The position of Pope is for Catholics no different to the position of Peter. If the Pope is respected, it is in s ...[text shortened]... is before. I am not interested in continuing this discussion. Your ignorance is your own choice.
10 May 11
Originally posted by SeitseCan you give a scripture reference, in which, Jesus the Christ gave the Pope and
His blessing is of equal worth to mine. Christ left no vicars. Universal
priesthood rules.
Hence, my brother, right now I bless you in the name of Jesus Christ.
you the authority to bless anyone?
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10 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI was inspired to post this on the forum.🙂 The pageantry -- a human expression of the divine -- and the fact that he was out in the open without a physical barrier like the pope-mobile, was impressive.
this i think is part of the attraction for the catholic, although it seems to me that such
pageantry relies heavily upon visual elements rather than purely spiritual ones. If he
had been throwing away twenty pound notes, that would have been excellent, as it
stands, the practical benefits of being blessed seem to me to be quite minimal. Were
you yourself inspired by it?
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10 May 11
Originally posted by Conrau KI think if we are to be given indulgences we ought to at least be told what they grant us license to do.🙂
For a Catholic, yes, the blessing does confer certain spiritual gifts. I rather suspect a partial indulgence might be available for such an occasion too. It is important to stress however that the efficacy of the blessing does not depend on the particular status of the priest but on the faith of the believer. Theoretically, the blessing of one's own biological father could be more effective than a papal blessing.
10 May 11
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Originally posted by JS357well thats something at least, sometimes those weak in faith need a stimulus, the word
I was inspired to post this on the forum.🙂 The pageantry -- a human expression of the divine -- and the fact that he was out in the open without a physical barrier like the pope-mobile, was impressive.
of God being too meaty for them, like babes they need trinkets and milk 😛
10 May 11
All this talk of blessing and nobody has said what it is. What is a blessing?
Is it:
1. a get out of jail free card? (to be traded in against deserved suffering)
2. a card that can be traded in against undeserved suffering?
3. magical protection against both deserved and undeserved suffering?
4. extra points in the judgement day exam?
5. other?
10 May 11
Originally posted by JS357A "non-Christian believer"
Yesterday the wife and I and two friends were on the terrace of the Peggy Guggenheim Museum in Venice to observe Pope Benedict XVI's procession on the Grand Canal. As he passed by, he was blessing everyone along the route. What do people think the significance of his blessing is to a Catholic, a non-Catholic Christian, a non-Christian believer, a non-believer, ...[text shortened]... ry of the flotilla of multi-manned gondolas and mahogany cruisers that followed, was fantastic.
Lol....what the hell is that? I might be one of those - I dont' believe christians exist 😕
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Originally posted by twhiteheadA blessing is a "good wish" from one person to another.(I guess that would be 5 but do we really need multiple choice? Are you thinking of going into television?)
All this talk of blessing and nobody has said what it is. What is a blessing?
Is it:
1. a get out of jail free card? (to be traded in against deserved suffering)
2. a card that can be traded in against undeserved suffering?
3. magical protection against both deserved and undeserved suffering?
4. extra points in the judgement day exam?
5. other?