03 Oct '08 19:25>
If one must perform works to "get" salvation then doesn't this undermine the works anyway? If our acts of kindness are motivated by a desire to get something from God (eg salvation) then are they really acts of kindness ? I would say that they are more likely to be self serving acts with a hidden agenda rather than acts of love.
If anyone knows the mindset of Jehovah's Witnesses they will know that it's in built that they must convert people to the fold in order to gain favours from Jehovah.
Such acts masquarade as kindness but are actually hollow. When the JW comes to your door is he really interested in you , or is he more interested in his own salvation? I have seen it with my own eyes. When the s++t hits the fan the horrible judgementalism kicks in.
Similarly , the idea that we must be perfected and sinless in order to "merit" salvation is pernicious and dangerous. It results in perfectionism and fear (even terror) of God. Such individuals can have no assurance of salvation and cannot be at peace with God because one sin.....and they are history. The enemy has a field day with them , accusing them of all sorts of sinful thoughts.
The paradox is that focussing on works or focussing on some perfect transformation takes our eyes off God's grace and puts it firmly on us and what we do. Works that result from grateful hearts that have already been saved by grace are real works because they are not likely to be self serving.
Believing that we must be perfected before God can accept us just leads to judgmentalism of others who are not as "perfect" as us. It also establishes in our minds an image of God as unaccepting of our imperfections and sins. God becomes the perfectionist task master who cannot accept anything less than 100% sinlessness. God becomes He who we can bargain with as we lay out our "works" before Him in the hope they will be good enough to enter the pearly gates.
Yuk! Anyone who has seen the ultimate results of these mindsets will know that they are not the truth and not of love. The paradox is that while seeking salvation they actually take many further from it.
Salvation by works? Salvation via perfection? They can keep their heaven. If that's what God is like I don't want to be saved. Fortunately the Gospel is far more radical than that. Grace undermines human thinking and turns everything on it's head. Thieves go to paradise and "holy" men are damned.
If anyone knows the mindset of Jehovah's Witnesses they will know that it's in built that they must convert people to the fold in order to gain favours from Jehovah.
Such acts masquarade as kindness but are actually hollow. When the JW comes to your door is he really interested in you , or is he more interested in his own salvation? I have seen it with my own eyes. When the s++t hits the fan the horrible judgementalism kicks in.
Similarly , the idea that we must be perfected and sinless in order to "merit" salvation is pernicious and dangerous. It results in perfectionism and fear (even terror) of God. Such individuals can have no assurance of salvation and cannot be at peace with God because one sin.....and they are history. The enemy has a field day with them , accusing them of all sorts of sinful thoughts.
The paradox is that focussing on works or focussing on some perfect transformation takes our eyes off God's grace and puts it firmly on us and what we do. Works that result from grateful hearts that have already been saved by grace are real works because they are not likely to be self serving.
Believing that we must be perfected before God can accept us just leads to judgmentalism of others who are not as "perfect" as us. It also establishes in our minds an image of God as unaccepting of our imperfections and sins. God becomes the perfectionist task master who cannot accept anything less than 100% sinlessness. God becomes He who we can bargain with as we lay out our "works" before Him in the hope they will be good enough to enter the pearly gates.
Yuk! Anyone who has seen the ultimate results of these mindsets will know that they are not the truth and not of love. The paradox is that while seeking salvation they actually take many further from it.
Salvation by works? Salvation via perfection? They can keep their heaven. If that's what God is like I don't want to be saved. Fortunately the Gospel is far more radical than that. Grace undermines human thinking and turns everything on it's head. Thieves go to paradise and "holy" men are damned.