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Originally posted by @sonshipI need to do no such thing. The torture of billions and billions of non-believers for being non-believers for eternity is not comparable to what the Nazis did to the Jews for being Jews.
You need to convince yourself that Hitler's Nazism is the same as God expressed.
In terms of scale and sheer moral depravity, there is no comparison as notions, ideologies and endorsed/actual actions go.
The torture and suffering of the Jews ended in the gas chambers. It was over relatively quickly. Unless, of course, you believe your god figure has been torturing all those gassed Jews for being non-believers/non-Christians ever since they died [and will do forever more].
Come to think of it, you probably do believe that. Oh well.
"Perfect morality" is how you referred to it, I remember.
Nevertheless, you are sidestepping the question. What is your definition of "glorify"?
Originally posted by @sonshipAt the moment you are spending an unbelievable amount of time dancing around trying to avoid explaining what the definition of the word "glorifies", as you've used it, is.
I spend more time contemplating what God did that we might be saved from the torment of being forever joined with Satan.
Originally posted by @sonshipCorrect. They are two separate and distinct instances of stupendously grotesque revenge being visited upon human beings by a powerful entity.
God defeating Satan and his followers is not the Nazis gassing the Jews. [/b]
When you imagine billions and billions of people being tortured [for their lack of belief] in some kind of magical furnace, forever and ever, watched over by Jesus and some angels - when you try to picture all this in your mind's eye - do you think to yourself, boy oh boy, how glorious my god is?
-Removed-
Don't you ever stop to think about what it is you believe?
Stopping to think what I believe is not stopping to think of your take on everything.
Stopping to think what I believe is not stopping to decide to disbelieve what the word of Jesus Christ was.
I don't stop to think what I believe with a pair of scissors to cut verses out of the New Testament. Extracting words out of the text as if they are not there is not my way to stop and consider.
if the word of God tells me that if anyone's name who was not written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire, "stopping to thin" what I believe comes short of shutting my eyes and saying "It is not there, It is not there."
Originally posted by @sonshipIs it, in your view, ironic that you are attempting this clumsy dodge/deflection vis a vis what divegeester is putting to you, when you yourself are hiding behind some demented screed by Robert Govette which you plagiarized and which contains words you refuse to define?
Did you ever consider that you so badly need the assistance of an Atheist to help you interpret Scripture ? Do you consider the irony of your taking refuge behind the arguments of an Atheist it seek the Bible's message clearly ?
Originally posted by @chaney3sonship reckons the agony of billions of non-Christians being tortured in flames forever "glorifies" his god figure. I am asking him to define the words "glory" and "glorify" in this context, as he uses them. He should embrace the opportunity to advertise the true nature of this supernatural being he believes in, however he is bottling out, utterly and completely. It's interesting.
Give it up FMF. You abandoned your weak faith.
Sonship provides a valuable voice here, and you are in NO position to challenge it.
You discarded God, you discarded Jesus.
-Removed-"Negative glory" is not a good of a phrase.
But the fact remains that in judgment God was glorified. It the final crushing of Antichrist and his kingdom, the vision of the glory of God is striking.
"And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the fury of God, who lives forever and ever.
And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one could enter into the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished." (Rev. 15:7,8)
That this vision may contain symbolism is not disputed.
Still the word picture is of God's righteous and glorious crushing of His enemies. And that after much longsuffering and patient endurance. Enough is enough.
That no one could enter into the temple until this righteous fury is accomplished
suggests that intercession for those judged at this point is not righteous and interferes with His right and glorious crushing of Antichrist.
" ... And no one could enter into the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished."
The time to petition, plead, ask mercy on behalf, and pray for the un-reconciled is now.
Today we may still enter into God's presence and make intercession for sinners.
The word picture of Revelation 15:7,8 is to me an indication that for God to BE God there will come a point where His judgment must fall.