The top 10 benefits of atheism

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So do you believe in objective moral truth? Or do you believe it is all subjective?

Would you care to give me scenarios where rape would be morally acceptable to you?

I believe the morality of statutory rape is quite fuzzy, in the absence of drugs or force.

Edit: Or pregnancy or std transmission.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Do you think it is morally wrong for a terminally ill cancer patient to smoke pot?

No, I don't view drugs that are used for medicinal purposes as abuse.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok, so would you care to share with me scenarios where rape, human trafficking, paedophilia and necrophilia would be morally justifiable in your opinion?

The moral judgement is incorporated by the labels. In cases where consent is freely given by a mentally competent person, the labels would not apply. It is the common element of non-consenting loss of personal freedom that repulses me. So I'd add to your list other examples like murder and enslavement.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok so you believe drug abuse can be justified? Yes or No?

"Abuse" is an often subjective and even emotive term. Morality governs interactions between people. As far as drug use is concerned, the only issues I can see would be those arising from the user's behaviour when under the influence or when trying to procure the drugs, and things like that. Now, I have answered. So could you answer the question that your post above sidestepped?

Originally posted by FMF
"Abuse" is an often subjective and even emotive term. Morality governs interactions between people. As far as drug use is concerned, the only issues I can see would be those arising from the user's behaviour when under the influence or when trying to procure the drugs, and things like that. Now, I have answered. So could you answer the question that your post above sidestepped?

Ok fair enough, 'abuse' may be subjective, do you agree with the rest of my list?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok fair enough, 'abuse' may be subjective, do you agree with the rest of my list?

Are you taking "Drug Abuse" off your list then? You were listing it in the context of "moral absolutes" were you not? And now after a few dozen words on a message board, you reckon it's a matter of subjectivity after all and not something "absolute". How long did you spend thinking up your list?

Originally posted by JS357
The moral judgement is incorporated by the labels. In cases where consent is freely given by a mentally competent person, the labels would not apply. It is the common element of non-consenting loss of personal freedom that repulses me. So I'd add to your list other examples like murder and enslavement.

1.So is there any conceivable scenario where you can justify any of the actions on my list or not?

2. Would you say the non-consenting loss of personal freedom is always wrong in all cases?

Originally posted by FMF
Are you taking "Drug Abuse" off your list then? You were listing it in the context of "moral absolutes" were you not? And now after a few dozen words on a message board, you reckon it's a matter of subjectivity after all and not something "absolute". How long did you spend thinking up your list?

I agree to disagree, since I believe medical science and psychology has some objective basis by which to measure 'abuse'. You are welcome to disagree.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I agree to disagree, since I believe medical science and psychology has some objective basis by which to measure 'abuse'. You are welcome to disagree.

You agreed that it was partly a matter for subjectivity and judgement and yet it remains on your list of five chosen "moral absolutes"?

Originally posted by FMF
You agreed that it was partly a matter for subjectivity and judgement and yet it remains on your list of five chosen "moral absolutes"?

So if you think you've disqualified one of five it means there other four don't exist. 🙄

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So if you think you've disqualified one of five it means there other four don't exist. 🙄

The issue is whether you think it's now "disqualified" having conceded what you have.

Originally posted by FMF
The issue is whether you think it's now "disqualified" having conceded what you have.

I think medicine and psychology can be used as an objective base to measure or establish 'abuse'. You are welcome to disagree if you feel medicine and psychology are used to establish 'subjective' facts. 🙄

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I think medicine and psychology can be used as an objective base to measure or establish 'abuse'. You are welcome to disagree if you feel medicine and psychology are used to establish 'subjective' facts. 🙄

You said "I think a doctor or psychologist would be in a better position to make such judgement calls" and you also said that use of the word 'abuse' "may be subjective". Are these two sentences examples of you defending a "moral absolute" stance?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I believe right is right even if everyone is against it and wrong is wrong even if everyone is for it..

Can you give any practical examples of this from your everyday life?