Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou keep repeating this like a broken record, yet it is far from clear what you mean by it. When you say I am standing on the edge of a cliff by choice, what do you mean?
some others here are unfortunately still standing
at the edge of a slippery precipice or steep cliff
by choice.
I have not chosen to stand on the edge of a cliff. I am not aware of the existence of a cliff to stand on the edge of. So what exactly have I chosen? And when did I choose?
Originally posted by FMFFor someone concerned with the "sufficiency" of evidence in the Bible, you are remarkably ignorant on the inherent unreliability of hearsay testimony. If you actually want to find out about their reasons, instead of just wanting to slander their name, then ask them.
Why would you need to be a mind reader? Grampy Bobby and sonship ~ who purport to have the same religion as you ~ have each posted many hundreds - maybe thousands - of times on the subject. Do you think their notion of a torturer God makes any moral sense? You'll need to read your own mind in order to answer this.
Originally posted by SuzianneI have asked them. And now I am asking you. Do you think their notion of a torturer God makes any moral sense?
For someone concerned with the "sufficiency" of evidence in the Bible, you are remarkably ignorant on the inherent unreliability of hearsay testimony. If you actually want to find out about their reasons, instead of just wanting to slander their name, then [b]ask them.[/b]
Originally posted by FMFConsidering that you can't even come out and plainly say what you think, but instead meander around the point so that you don't get accused of "ad hominems", yes. It's been your MO fairly consistently "over the years".
Do you really think I have not been coming out and saying what I think on these issues over the years?
Originally posted by SuzianneI have been utterly forthright and unequivocal about what I think. So what do you think? Does their notion of a torturer God makes any moral sense?
Considering that you can't even come out and plainly say what you think, but instead meander around the point so that you don't get accused of "ad hominems", yes. It's been your MO fairly consistently "over the years".
Originally posted by FMFFirst of all, I do not think they have ANY notion of a "torturer" God. Those are your words, and therefore your concept. AND you putting words in their mouths.
I have asked them. And now I am asking you. Do you think their notion of a torturer God makes any moral sense?
Why don't you ask them what they think of you calling their God a "torturer" God? Then we might be getting a lot closer to the meat of the matter.
Originally posted by SuzianneIsn't it self evident from the bible that your god tortures people, specifically the ones banished to hell? Why would that not be a torturer god?
First of all, I do not think they have ANY notion of a "torturer" God. Those are your words, and therefore your concept. AND you putting words in their mouths.
Why don't you ask them what they think of you calling their God a "torturer" God? Then we might be getting a lot closer to the meat of the matter.
Originally posted by SuzianneI've talked to both about it time and time again and I can't remember either having an issue with the terminology. Do their claims as to what your Christian God will do to those not "saved", by way of revenge, wrath and punishment ~ lasting for eternity ~ make any moral sense to you?
Why don't you ask them what they think of you calling their God a "torturer" God? Then we might be getting a lot closer to the meat of the matter.
