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    Was Judas ever a Believer?
  2. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Dec '05 06:39
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Was Judas ever a Believer?
    Jesus said so; was he wrong?
  3. Standard memberzakkwylder
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    04 Dec '05 07:43
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Was Judas ever a Believer?
    You can do bad things yet still believe. Prime example... me.
  4. Standard memberRemoved
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    04 Dec '05 14:45
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Was Judas ever a Believer?
    I suppose we will know when we get to the Kingdom.
  5. Standard memberKnightWulfe
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    04 Dec '05 15:38
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Jesus said so; was he wrong?
    That is a very good question. Jesus said that Judas was a believer.
    Was Jesus wrong?
  6. Standard memberHalitose
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    04 Dec '05 15:43
    Originally posted by KnightWulfe
    That is a very good question. Jesus said that Judas was a believer.
    Was Jesus wrong?
    Where? When?
  7. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Dec '05 17:18
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Where? When?
    Have you ever actually glanced at the Gospels, Halitose?
  8. Standard memberHalitose
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    04 Dec '05 18:19
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Have you ever actually glanced at the Gospels, Halitose?
    Yep, but since you made the claim, the burden of proof is yours.
  9. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Dec '05 18:39
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Yep, but since you made the claim, the burden of proof is yours.
    Sorry, I'm not playing your game; look it up - you might learn something.
  10. Standard memberHalitose
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    04 Dec '05 19:13
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Sorry, I'm not playing your game; look it up - you might learn something.
    Nah-ah. I'm calling your bluff. If you can't substantiate, you're gonna have to recant - heretic. 😏
  11. Standard memberRBHILL
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    Was Judas ever a believer?


    Judas was never a true follower of Jesus. His only god was money. In fact, the only other time the phrase "son of perdition" is used to refer to anyone other than Judas is in reference to the Antichrist, the sworn enemy of every believer in the end times.

    Judas was chosen by Jesus. Jesus knew what Judas would do. He had every chance, like the other disciples, to be saved. If had been, Jesus still would have found a way to accomplish His sacrifice. But, Jesus knew from the beginning that Judas would be against him.

    Also, the Bible says that after the Last Supper, the devil entered Judas. Believers can be oppressed by the devil, but they can't be possessed by him. That's because, God, in the form of the Holy Spirit, resides in each believer. "'Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?' Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him" (John 6:70-71).


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  12. Subscriberno1marauder
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    John 12:4: 4 But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples
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    04 Dec '05 21:27
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    John 12:4: 4 But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples
    That's right. It doesn't say true disciple.
  14. Standard memberNemesio
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    04 Dec '05 21:44
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Judas was never a true follower of Jesus. His only god was money.
    I dunno about this.

    I mean, are there any true disciples? All Christians (by their own admission)
    are flawed. All sucumb to temptation and sin.

    I don't think that Judas's only god was money. I think he was a seed that fell on
    rocky ground, shooting up but without a strong root. I think he initially had the best
    of intentions, but under the mounting pressure against Jesus, fell from grace and
    forwent the trust he had in Jesus.

    Judas is only a little better than St Peter, who denied Jesus under the same
    circumstances. Remember, all disciples ran when Jesus was arrested.

    Nemesio
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    04 Dec '05 21:50
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    Judas is only a little better than St Peter, who denied Jesus under the same
    circumstances.
    Better??
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