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    04 Dec '05 21:55
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Was Judas ever a believer?


    Judas was never a true follower of Jesus. His only god was money. In fact, the only other time the phrase "son of perdition" is used to refer to anyone other than Judas is in reference to the Antichrist, the sworn enemy of every believer in the end times.

    Judas was chosen by Jesus. Jesus knew what Judas would do. He had ...[text shortened]... /2005_CRM/WasJudasEverSaved.html

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    Was Judas ever a Believer
    How can both of these claims be true? You say that Jesus already knew what Judas would do, but he also had "every chance, like the other disciples, to be saved."
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    04 Dec '05 21:58
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    How can both of these claims be true? You say that Jesus already knew what Judas would do, but he also had "every chance, like the other disciples, to be saved."
    You're the expert, Rev. Why don't you give us your view on this mystery. What is your solution ?
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    04 Dec '05 22:00
    It’s important to note that it was God’s will that Jesus be crucified. There are some who believe that Judas was actually following Jesus’ instructions.
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    04 Dec '05 22:011 edit
    Originally posted by The Chess Express
    It’s important to note that it was God’s will that Jesus be crucified. There are some who believe that Judas was actually following Jesus’ instructions.
    If that is true he wouldn't have committed suicide.
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    04 Dec '05 22:031 edit
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Was Judas ever a Believer?
    In what ?

    Edit Doh! you mean the word of god, right ?
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    04 Dec '05 22:47
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Was Judas ever a Believer?
    No. Judas represents the constellation of Scorpio, which betrays the Sun unto it's Winter "death" after it passes the Autumnal Equinox to venture below the celestial equator, where darkness rules. The 30 pieces of "silver" are allegorical, and represent the 30° of each of the 12 constellations the Sun passes "through".

    I'm sure it's all just a silly coincidence, though.
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    04 Dec '05 23:35
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Was Judas ever a Believer?
    well since i am not GOD
    i cant see into a heart to make a judgement
    i think its GODS job to judge judas
    not MINE
    merry xmas
    lets celebrate the birth of x
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    04 Dec '05 23:40
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Was Judas ever a Believer?
    He was a Priest. (not a Monkey)
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    Originally posted by aspviper666
    well since i am not GOD
    i cant see into a heart to make a judgement
    i think its GODS job to judge judas
    not MINE
    merry xmas
    lets celebrate the birth of x
    The Word of God, has Judas's judgement of God in it.
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    05 Dec '05 00:57
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    You're the expert, Rev. Why don't you give us your view on this mystery. What is your solution ?
    "My" solution is that God does not know the future. Free will exists.
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    05 Dec '05 00:59
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    "My" solution is that God does not know the future. Free will exists.
    God does know the future.
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    05 Dec '05 01:00
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    The Word of God, has Judas's judgement of God in it.
    YES...it does!
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    05 Dec '05 01:02
    Originally posted by windmill
    God does know the future.
    Then free will is an illusion, for the ability to exercise free will entails the ability to determine future states.
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    05 Dec '05 01:03
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    "My" solution is that God does not know the future. Free will exists.
    The Triune God does not know the future, which means that you do not believe in God's omniscience.

    Is this a belief confessed by your Church, the Southern Baptist Church if my memory serves me well, or is it your own version of the Christian faith ?
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    05 Dec '05 01:041 edit
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    The Triune God does not know the future, which means that you do not believe in God's omniscience.

    Is this a belief confessed by your Church, the Southern Baptist Church if my memory serves me well, or is it your own version of the Christian faith ?
    It's a truth revealed in the Bible repeatedly.
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