Originally posted by robbie carrobie homosexual practice is explicitly condemned, people are not condemned unless they are considered irredeemable.
we are not going to get into the whole semantics thing are we? when you say 'homosexual practice' are you including sex? for the sake of clarity do you think the bible condemns a homosexual who abstains from homosexual sex?
Originally posted by stellspalfie in that case being a homosexual is not condemned. homosexual sex is. correct?
if they are doing little exercise then they need less calories, so to get fat they are eating more than they need.
It is not that simple. A person needs to eat a certain variety of foods to get the right nutrients. So besides the fact the person is not getting enough exercise, the person may be eating the wrong types of foods. If the body doesn't get what it needs, it reacts in a way that may make the person eat more. Sometimes, not getting the proper amount of sleep can make a person hungry. The person may even be trying to diet and lose weight, but sometimes the urges from the body to eat something becomes too strong and the person gives in and probably eats the wrong thing anyway.
Originally posted by RJHinds It is not that simple. A person needs to eat a certain variety of foods to get the right nutrients. So besides the fact the person is not getting enough exercise, the person may be eating the wrong types of foods. If the body doesn't get what it needs, it reacts in a way that may make the person eat more. Sometimes, not getting the proper amount of sleep ...[text shortened]... too strong and the person gives in and probably eats the wrong thing anyway.
The Instructor
no, you are over complicating the issue. regardless how strong the urge to eat is or how hungry a person feels and regardless of what type of food a person eats if they consume more calories than they need then they get fat. its easy to keep a rough mental note of how many calories we have consumed per day, so there is no excuse for a christian to be going over.
it seems to me sinning by over eating is one of the easiest sins to avoid, yet the most commonly ignored.
Originally posted by RJHinds It is not that simple. A person needs to eat a certain variety of foods to get the right nutrients. So besides the fact the person is not getting enough exercise, the person may be eating the wrong types of foods. If the body doesn't get what it needs, it reacts in a way that may make the person eat more. Sometimes, not getting the proper amount of sleep ...[text shortened]... too strong and the person gives in and probably eats the wrong thing anyway.
The Instructor
I think you are dodging the point.
I have seen numerous Christians in the US who are morbidly obese. They get this way by being gluttonous.
The question is. Why are these people not condemned by Christians, protested against etc in the same way as gay people, people who have abortions etc. God was happy to execute someone for gathering sticks on a Sabbath. Why this tacit acceptance that gluttony is not as serious?
Of course, if all these Christians were skinny, them I expect many would be out there condemning the atheist gluttons.
"a 2006 study at Purdue found that fundamental Christians are significantly the heaviest of all religious groups, led by Baptists with a 30% obesity rate compared with Jews at 1%, Buddhists and Hindus at 0.7%.
“America is becoming a nation of gluttony and obesity and churches are a feeding ground for this problem,” said Ken Ferraro, the lead researcher of the study. Another study at Northwestern University in 2011 tracked 3,433 men and women for 18 years and also found gluttony and obesity to be a problem, with young adults who attend church or a bible study once a week to be 50% more likely to be obese.
The Pawtucket Heart Health Program discovered a similar finding with people attending church more likely to be 20 percent overweight and have higher cholesterol and blood pressure numbers than non-church members. In yet another study of 2500 clergy in 2001, 76% were overweight or obese compared to 61% of the general population during that year."obesity in america - teresa tanoos.
not only is gluttony a sin, but studies show christians are actually worse than non-christians.
Originally posted by RJHinds I gave you enough information in my post for you to figure that one out. If not, maybe you should read the Holy Bible more often.
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no, you are over complicating the issue. regardless how strong the urge to eat is or how hungry a person feels and regardless of what type of food a person eats if they consume more calories than they need then they get fat. its easy to keep a rough mental note of how many calories we have consumed per day, so there is no excuse for a christian to be ...[text shortened]... to me sinning by over eating is one of the easiest sins to avoid, yet the most commonly ignored.
All human beings have areas of weakness and strength.
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Originally posted by stellspalfie we are not going to get into the whole semantics thing are we? when you say 'homosexual practice' are you including sex? for the sake of clarity do you think the bible condemns a homosexual who abstains from homosexual sex?
it is you who made the distinction, its not a matter of semantics, even you recognise (or your post makes no sense) that there is a difference between asserting that you are a homosexual and engaging in a homosexual practice. Christ made reference to cultivating wrong thoughts which may lead to wrong action, I think that pretty much covers it, dont you?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie it is you who made the distinction, its not a matter of semantics, even you recognise (or your post makes no sense) that there is a difference between asserting that you are a homosexual and engaging in a homosexual practice. Christ made reference to cultivating wrong thoughts which may lead to wrong action, I think that pretty much covers it, dont you?
it doesnt make it clear if homosexuals are condemned only if they indulge in homosexual sex. warning about thinking a certain way isnt the same as a flat out condemning it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie indeed, its up to those persons who have made the assertion, to prove that being overweight is a direct consequence of gluttony.
its pretty safe to say the overwhelming majority of fat people eat too much. wouldnt you agree?
13 Jul '13 11:03
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