Originally posted by mariekeXIVYes. The virus was first isolated in 1947 and presumably the disease was known about before then. Genetic engineering technology wasn't particularly good at that time. And why would anyone be genetically engineering such a virus at that time? To what end? There are a number of related virus' such as dengue, yellow fever, Japanese encephalitis, and West Nile that are much worse. If you want a nasty virus just go get Yellow Fever rather than making a new one.
Ok, and you are absolutely sure that it was not genetically engineered?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zika_virus
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes.
Yes. The virus was first isolated in 1947 and presumably the disease was known about before then. Genetic engineering technology wasn't particularly good at that time. And why would anyone be genetically engineering such a virus at that time? To what end? There are a number of related virus' such as dengue, yellow fever, Japanese encephalitis, and West N ...[text shortened]... st go get Yellow Fever rather than making a new one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zika_virus
No you don't know that for a fact.
You can blabber on for as long as you like, but the fact is that you don't know for sure that it wasn't genetically engineered. (Unless you know everything there is to know) You may want to believe that it wasn't but that is your choice.
Just like you can't know for sure that God doesn't exist.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThis is a red herring. If you object to discussing Zika on the grounds it might be genetically engineered [back in 1947?], you can instead take Malaria or Yellow Fever and use them to address the OP.
You can blabber on for as long as you like, but the fact is that you don't know for sure that [Zika] wasn't genetically engineered.
30 May 16
Originally posted by FMFIf you are truly interested in a Christian perspective on the existence of pathogenic viruses, I suggest the following link:
This is a red herring. If you object to discussing Zika on the grounds it might be genetically engineered [back in 1947?], you can instead take Malaria or Yellow Fever and use them to address the OP.
https://www.trueorigin.org/virus.php
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWhat I am truly interested in is talking to Christians here in this community about their differing views. Come on, you've been dancing around evasively for four pages now. Why don't you just state either what your perspective is, or what your views on Christian perspectives are?
If you are truly interested in a Christian perspective on the existence of pathogenic viruses, I suggest the following link:
https://www.trueorigin.org/virus.php
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkAgain, your repeat of the stupid argument that nobody can no anything unless they know everything.
No you don't know that for a fact.
You can blabber on for as long as you like, but the fact is that you don't know for sure that it wasn't genetically engineered. (Unless you know everything there is to know) You may want to believe that it wasn't but that is your choice.
Just like you can't know for sure that God doesn't exist.
What is 2+2, and do you know it for a fact?
You know nothing, and you do not know that I do not know for a fact that the Zika Virus was genetically engineered.
30 May 16
Originally posted by FMFI would say pathogenesis is evidence of something gone wrong, a mutation or the accidental movement of genes, and not evidence of a system deliberately designed to cause human disease and suffering.
What I am truly interested in is talking to Christians here in this community about their differing views. Come on, you've been dancing around evasively for four pages now. Why don't you just state either what your perspective is, or what your views on Christian perspectives are?
30 May 16
Originally posted by twhiteheadKnowing the answer to 2+2 is not the same as claiming to know that the Zika virus was NOT genetically engineered and you know that.
Again, your repeat of the stupid argument that nobody can no anything unless they know everything.
What is 2+2, and do you know it for a fact?
You know nothing, and you do not know that I do not know for a fact that the Zika Virus was genetically engineered.
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThird time of asking 🙂
I haven't met any Christians who claim to be able to read the mind of God.
Are you saying that in order to understand a god's purpose, the followers are required to be able to read their god's mind?
Do you "read (your) God's mind" when seeking to understand his purpose?
If you did happen to meet some Chrisitans who told you they were able to "read God's" mind, would you believe them and if so would you therefore join with them and follow their way?
30 May 16
Originally posted by divegeesterAre you saying that in order to understand a god's purpose, the followers are required to be able to read their god's mind?
Third time of asking 🙂
Are you saying that in order to understand a god's purpose, the followers are required to be able to read their god's mind?
Do you "read (your) God's mind" when seeking to understand his purpose?
If you did happen to meet some Chrisitans who told you they were able to "read God's" mind, would you believe them and if so would you therefore join with them and follow their way?
No, they generally read their holy book.
Do you "read (your) God's mind" when seeking to understand his purpose?
Nope, his purpose has already been revealed and is recorded in the holy book.
If you did happen to meet some Chrisitans who told you they were able to "read God's" mind, would you believe them and if so would you therefore join with them and follow their way?
Nope.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWhy is this not sufficient grounds to endorse the entire theory of evolution by natural selection? What more do you need once you accept that?
I would say pathogenesis is evidence of something gone wrong, a mutation or the accidental movement of genes, and not evidence of a system deliberately designed to cause human disease and suffering.
Human suffering makes no sense in a world designed by God for our benefit, but it makes complete sense in a world where we have no special status and which is not here for our benefit.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou suggest viruses are evidence of "something gone wrong". Do you mean "something gone wrong" with the implementation of God's will, or "something gone wrong" with human free will in some way? Also, if you don't mind me asking, is your idea about the "accidental movement of genes", in your view, a Christian beliefs-based notion?
I would say pathogenesis is evidence of something gone wrong, a mutation or the accidental movement of genes, and not evidence of a system deliberately designed to cause human disease and suffering.